I'll tell you what you did with Atheists for about 1500 years

Comment by bay_naam on August 5, 2011 at 1:16pm

Yes you are right Sassan but I think If half of the population of  countries like Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan have free access to internet then this world would become a peaceful place and more atheist people will come out from closet  

Comment by Sassan K. on August 5, 2011 at 1:19pm

Iranians are the exception - we are Persian - our culture and holidays are pre-islamic - and the Iranian people are not a religious people (the population, not the government) and demand nothing more and nothing less than a secular democracy. Remember - we had a pro-western government pre-1979 and miss those days - so the problem is not the Iranian people since our culture is not Islamic - but it is the rest of the Islamic world - and for Pakistan and Afghanistan - they are such absolutist and rigid Muslims - I don't see much hope in those countries (especially Pakistan). If they could - in Pakistan - Bin Laden would have been easily elected as their leader.

Comment by oneinfinity on August 5, 2011 at 1:22pm

Lest this become yet another thread of anti-islam hatemongering, let's remember that there have been, are now, and will be barbarous acts performed on humans by other humans wherever humans are found. Religion isn't the cause of human barbarity, extremism (hatemongers and powermongers) and the complacency and ignorance of the easily lead are the true enemies; and we well know that western culture isn't by any means free of these primitive impulses. So while we combat them where we can, let's not forget that we have to keep watch on ourselves to make sure that we're not becoming what we despise. 

Comment by Sassan K. on August 5, 2011 at 1:25pm

I'm not going to debate you on here - but yes, religion and in particular Islam is the cause of human barbarity - Islam by its very fundamental tenets is barbaric and abhorrent. As Sam Harris says, "the problem with Islamic fundamentalism are the fundamentals of Islam" - and as Steven Weinberg says, "With or without religion you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion"

Comment by dr howard davis on August 9, 2011 at 7:58pm

Yes true,but 50 million believers lost their lives because of faith in Christ! There are misguided so called false Christians-to be condemed- as well as misguided atheists like Stalin and godless communism.

O'Hare as she was wont to do exaggerated (while she stole money from her own organization).Even if one atheist was persecuted though it was evil and wrong -wrong!!! There were very few atheists.

Her son said she was apt to make exaggerated statements to raise interest and donations of which she was well supplied.

Comment by Stephen Walski on August 9, 2011 at 8:10pm

O Hair... again you fail at names.. was never proven to have taken any money and the money that was supposedly hearsay from a former employee was never found or even found to be missing.

 

Her son was a baptist preacher with an ax to grind.

 

For crying out loud you try to push yourself off as a historical expert in one thread and in two other make completely nonfactual statements in another two.

Comment by Michael on August 14, 2011 at 3:19am

@dr howard davis Do you have any idea what it means to be intellectually honest? First you slander O'Hair then you use the tired old argument about Stalin's atheism. You leave out the fact that Stalin's Russia was just as dogmatic as any religion and in no way exemplifies the philosophy of the majority of atheists. Stalin did not commit his crimes as a result of atheism. Atheism did not provide him a logical pathway to torture and murder people the way religion does to people who believe they have a divine warrant to do these things. "False Christians'? Really? And who would these false Christians be exactly? Anyone who does not think like you? The truth is all it takes to be a Christian is to confess belief in Jesus and the resurrection.  You also leave out the fact that many of those Christians were killed by people of their own faith or people of other faiths. The damage done by religion and its history of impeding progress is unrivaled. Maybe in your next response you can include a little truth and/or originality.

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