How is it a Straw Man argument? Many theists and deists are absolutely 100% convinced that God exists, and say "I know he exists". To say that knowing something requires evidence is a straw man, is to use the phrase straw man incorrectly - as per most people who use it.
I hate the phrase "straw man" even when used correctly as it is not an argument on its own, just a wall to hide behind.
All these replies are for you, Bugme Not, You can read the original thread here.
Peter Darley - By definition it can't be a straw man, because it doesn't talk about what other people believe.
11:05 AM +3
Joel Bass - Nope, it's not a straw man... I'm not sure it's a great argument, though. It insists that anybody who believes in anything has to use the scientific method. I don't think that's how most humans throughout history have lived, actually. I love the scientific method, and I think it's extremely helpful. But if someone's on their deathbed, hoping there's an afterlife, I think the scientific method might not be foremost on their mind, and that's okay, isn't it?
11:10 AM +4
Peter Darley - It's not saying that people aren't allowed to believe things without evidence, just saying that if you expect to convince someone of something, you better bring the evidence.
And specifically, if you want to convince ME (the author of the sentiment) I'm not going to listen if you don't demonstrate your claims with science.
11:13 AM (edited) +4
Cody Sovis - The whole point of faith is to believe in something in spite of having no proof in it. I just can't base my life on something that, in my opinion, goes against nearly every experience of every person to have ever lived.
Scot Rafkin - The comment is based on a questionable and probably false premise: "Deities are not falsifiable".
Peter Darley - I think it's true that many deities are not falsifiable, which is an excellent reason to not believe they exist.
Paul T Morrison - Not a straw man as it is a very defined statement which does not replace a pro religious argument with anything but, "show me proof."
One nitpicky point. I don't think it is necessary to force the religious person to use the scientific method. Showing direct evidence is not the scientific method. It's just showing data. If I showed you an invisible pick unicorn (or maybe just her hot b
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