Comment by Loop Johnny on April 7, 2011 at 2:11pm

Featured.

Comment by Shannon Kish on April 24, 2011 at 8:55pm

good stuff. I would be interested in hearing some of the responses of believers to this.

Comment by Ankillito on April 26, 2011 at 6:53am

@Shannon, because you asked: From my perspective as a Christian, I see this completely differently. If, as I believe, God created (presumably in part through evolution) this world, you, me, and everything we know, he has complete authority. It is also important to note that the whole point (or at least a major point) of creating us was so that we could enjoy his love and reciprocate as loving children.

If a God is Just, he must at times have wrath.
If a God truly loves us, he must be jealous for us. That's how love works.
If a God gave you everything, and was a perfect benevolent God, there is nothing you would not freely give.*
If a God is the only God, he is the only one who can be prideful, and human pride is only bad because we do not have the right to be prideful.
Sorry, this one's just wrong. He spent 6 days working, and the last resting. Arguably, we are still in the 6th day. Is it lazy to retire when you finish your career?
And for the last one, free will man. I, as a Christian, completely denounce the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church. There hatred goes against the teachings of Jesus, as does their homophobia. God might hate fags (cigarettes), but like everyone, he loves homosexuals.

Each of these points could be huge discussions, but that's my brief response.

*Note, there is a difference between what God wants and what the fallible humans in The Church want.

Comment by Big Fella on April 26, 2011 at 7:35am

@ Ankillito,

 

"God created (presumably in part through evolution) this world, you, me, and everything we know, he has complete authority."

 

Quotes like these make me so happy that I'm not dating anyone religious. I would not want to raise children with another person who somehow beliefs that creating something gives you completely authority over your creation.

It's sick and twisted logic that no moral person can hold on to.

Comment by truelylove on April 27, 2011 at 8:18pm

@bigfella
To start off, I am only fifteen and having complete authority over something is not sick and twisted because you are not including freewill. If you raise children, and you have the definition of complete authority over the child, until he is old enough to make his own decisions, if you didn't have authority over him/her, then who knows what kinds of mischief he/she could get himself into, God is there as a mentor, a teacher, a loving parent, he guides us down the path of life to bring us to the truth, the light, everlasting happiness. We still have freewill, and sometimes we do not always make the best of decisions, whether it be a moral decision or just a simple mistake.
My parents have raised me to live a life like Christ and treat others the way you would want to be treated. If you think that is sick and twisted. They have complete authority over me, whether or not I like it, but they are only doing what is best for me.

Comment by Geoff Boulton on May 1, 2011 at 12:55pm

@truelylove

Doesn't god already know everything? If so then you aren't exhibiting free will you are simply following a predestined path that was already known before you were even conceived, which rather makes the supposed purpose of life as a 'test' for entrance into heaven a completely pointless exercise with the outcome already having been decided. Alternatively, if god doesn't already know what you are going to do then he doesn't by definition know everything and there goes his claim to omniscience.

 

How can you have free will with a loaded gun to your head? You might still be able to choose in theory but it isn't in any way a realistic example of 'free choice'. If you really had free will then there wouldn't be any penalty for your making the 'wrong' choice. Would your parents condemn you to an eternity of torture for making a mistake? If they did they would be considered monsters yet somehow the same behaviour from your god is supposed to represent unconditional love. How can love be unconditional if it has conditions attached?

 

Perhaps you would also like to explain the free will involved in the child every three seconds who dies of starvation or disease, starvation often caused by the weather patterns that your god supposedly controls and diseases that he presumably created at the same time as all the other life on the planet. Do these children 'choose' to be born into poverty in an underdeveloped part of the world with minimal chances of making it to even their 5th birthday let alone adulthood? It's all part of god's plan I suppose that some people will be born into advanced, science based economies and live long and often happy lives while others are destined to live pitifully short lives under conditions of exterme hardship, often caused by the very religions that are supposed to give them hope. Hardly a fair test of 'faith' is it?

Comment by Walter Maki on May 1, 2011 at 1:19pm

God a loving parent? Are you serious!? How loving is it when in the bible show fathers giving up their daughters to a crowd to be raped. How loving is it to kill your daughter because of a deal to kill the first person who came though you door if you got a battle victory. How loving is it when it says to stoned your children to death for being disobedient. Do you hear how INSANE that sounds. That is not love.

Comment by Robert Stehn on May 5, 2011 at 10:48am

this page is on stumble now

Comment by Ankillito on May 5, 2011 at 11:48am

@Robert, it's been on stumble for quite some time, which is what brought me here. Surprisingly, not every computer nerd is an atheist.

Comment by bentscar on May 9, 2011 at 6:29am

@ankilito you can be religious while its still hip but in 20 years you'll be a minority

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