Comment by Dale Headley on March 23, 2012 at 6:20pm

   I propose we call the "Theory of Evolution" what it really is: the "LAW of Evolution."  To deny evolution is as preposterous as denying gravity.  EVERYTHING about biology is thoroughly explained by evolution.  God explains nothing!  Religion is nothing more than a surrender to ignorance by small minds in order to alleviate the fear of death.  Ironically though, death itself is an indispensable aspect of the evolutionary paradigm.  If nothing died, there would be nothing to drive natural selection.

Comment by Rob Klaers on March 23, 2012 at 7:06pm

The only issue with calling it a Law is that a Law helps to predict something happening. It doesn't explain it, like a Theory does. Basically, a scientific law is nothing more than a series of general observations. 

For instance, Newton's Law of Gravity could predict that if you threw an apple in the air it would fall back down, but it couldn't explain why it happened.. Whereas Newton's Theory of Gravity could explain that.. So a theory is the correct term. Otherwise, I agree with what you said. :) 

Comment by archaeopteryx on March 23, 2012 at 7:42pm

I agree Rob, but theists use that phrase as their failsafe: "Oh, but that's only a theory --" Thing is, religion isn't even that.

I suppose a solution lies in asking them to jump off a tall building to test how real is their belief in the theory of gravity - after all, it's only  a theory --

pax vobiscum,

Comment by Diane on March 23, 2012 at 9:13pm

I think I might implode if another theist says that to me... that evolution is only a theory.  Did you know that the scientific theory of evolution is not taught to students in the part of Kansas where an acquaintance grew up?  It might not be taught in the whole state, for all I know.  I hate to wonder what they ARE teaching them.  It's no wonder theists don't understand.

I can say that my 8 year old has a basic understanding of evolution, and he would whether or not his school taught it.  At least I have control of that much.

Comment by archaeopteryx on March 23, 2012 at 10:27pm

Diane - then you're REALLY not gonna want to hear that Louisiana is teaching Creation Theory too --

pax vobiscum,

Comment by Logicallunatic on March 23, 2012 at 10:44pm

For consistency, creationists need to protest about heliocentric theory... "we don't revolve round that darn Sun because it's only a theory". They can't have it both ways. 

Comment by Pope Beanie on March 23, 2012 at 10:45pm

Haha, thanks Rob.

And Never a Miscommunication!

Comment by archaeopteryx on March 23, 2012 at 11:33pm

"Tide comes in, tide goes out!"
"Sun goes down, sun comes up!"

Thanks Bill - what would we ever do without your clarification?

pax vobiscum,

Comment by Rob Klaers on March 23, 2012 at 11:59pm

Arch.. I had a discussion about the theory, law, hypothesis definitions, a few weeks back, with an ex-gf from HS (which for me was about 20+ yrs ago). She was a smart girl in HS. Took AP classes and such. Left me in the dust more then once in a number of our discussions back then.. So anyway since HS she majored in Science and then became a home-schooling theist. (no offense to the home-schoolers out there). During that recent discussion she tried to tell me that a theory is something which has yet to be proven. I had to call her on that and let her know she was a little off.. Basically saying that a theory is a collection of hypothesis which have yet to be unproven. Otherwise, how could we effectively use Germ Theory, Gravitational Theory, etc, if they weren't proven somehow? ... Then I quoted Einstein (paraphrased here because I don't remember where I found the quote) when he said about his Theory of Relativity that nothing could truly prove it, but it would take just one experiment to disprove it. Which is the essence of a Theory.. it only takes once to disprove it. ...After 150 years, you'd think creationists could have disproved evolution by now. :) 

Comment by archaeopteryx on March 24, 2012 at 12:15am

Rob - under the theory - yeah, there's that word again - of N + 1, theoretically, nothing can ever be proved. We drop a rock 100 times, and it falls down, doesn't mean that on the 101st try, it won't fall up. We realistically KNOW it won't, still we must admit that the possibility, though extremely remote, exists. Despite the fact that most of our theories can never be entirely proven, and none can ever pass the N+1 test, the result of their application have proven sufficiently reliable that we can essentially ignore N+1 and proceed as though it were a given that our effort will succeed.

BUT, RE: "(no offense to the home-schoolers out there)" - I have a serious offense with most home-schoolers. There may be some out there who feel our public schools don't provide a quality education and genuinely believe they can do better, but the vast majority of home-schoolers do so for the same reason that the Taliban refuses to allow girl children an education, because they want their children to receive only their own personal indoctrination, and don't want to expose them to those who might profess ideas contrary to their own beliefs. There are also those who home-school because they don't want their children to attend segregated schools. These, I have a problem with!

pax vobiscum,


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