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Comment by Michael on December 28, 2013 at 9:15pm

David I am assuming that you think the violence in the picture was a result of a lack of religion. This is simply untrue. Find some atrocities that were committed in the name of the lack of religion. You won't find any. You will probably point to Stalin, however, the atrocities under Stalin were not a result of the absence of religion. They were the result of an almost cult like devotion to a misinterpretation of Marxism. As well as the uncontrollable greed of a few to consolidate wealth and power. There hasn't been any atrocities committed in the name of atheism. None whatsoever. Yet how many have been committed explicitly in the name of a particular god?

Comment by Pope Beanie on December 28, 2013 at 10:16pm

Atheist Jihad!

Wait, we don't have a leader, do we?

Comment by Diane on December 28, 2013 at 10:20pm

David, can you say more about the pics and caption?  Was there a story with it in the context of which it made sense?  I am curious.

Comment by _Robert_ on December 29, 2013 at 3:32pm

First This

I think it is safe to say that atrocities committed in the name of Communism are done in the name of atheism

Then This

I would never make the silly argument that people act on what they don't believe.

Could you possibly be more contradictory? This is exactly the type of confused thought pattern I have come to expect from theists. Comparing totalitarian governments to atheism is intellectually irresponsible. Just like imperial Japan and Nazi Germany the Soviets simply swapped their supernatural dictator with their head of state, complete with worship and ceremony. This has nothing to do with atheism, science or free thinking.


Comment by _Robert_ on December 29, 2013 at 10:31pm

Therefore, I think it is safe to say that atheism played a role in the violence

The violence was the result of a cult of paranoid personality, and total domination by a dictator who is not unlike god. The communists eliminated all competition for power including the church. This is not atheism, this is totalitarianism.

And do you really think the people that killed were really atheists, because religion picked up right where it left off and today only 13% of Russians are atheists/non religious. God is worse than any dictator because he can convict you of thought crime.



Comment by _Robert_ on December 30, 2013 at 12:26am

Are you saying that a totalitarian can't use atheism to promote himself and his agenda?  To convince people that he is the highest law and power?  To convince them to obey him no matter what?

The dictator uses fear to promote himself and force behavior (like all the gods do). Soviet, Chinese and Korean communism (and fascism) became like a religion with the dictators as an incarnate god (Let me hear you say Jesus!). Just like religion they have a book, they use heavy symbolism, they have prophets and they have martyrs.

Being naturally skeptic, I would suggest that many atheists would most likely find a fascist or communist dictatorship abhorrent no matter it's "official policy" on religion.

Comment by Unseen on January 1, 2014 at 3:22pm

@David Treibs - "I think it is safe to say that atrocities committed in the name of Communism are done in the name of atheism.  Not that most atheists in this country would support anything of the sort."

Communist leaders may have been atheists in the sense of not believing in a theistic deity. However, one can easily view Communism as a quasi-religious belief system. Communist atrocities were done misguidedly "in the name of the working man," not in the sense of "striking another blow for atheism."

At any rate, why not discuss the vast majority of wars in the world, most of them instigated and prosecuted by religious people, sometimes even in the name of or in the supposed "defense" of religion?


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