Comment by Atheist Exile on May 5, 2012 at 7:29am

@Jim Minion,

How dense can you get? How many ways to I have to say it? I don't give a flying fuck how you do or don't capitalize God. I capitalize for several reasons, including grammar. You can not capitalize for any reason you like. It doesn't matter to me. Do your own thing. Different strokes for different folks. To each his own. etc. etc. etc.

Don't sweat the petty things.

And don't pet the sweaty things.

Comment by diggerbanks on May 5, 2012 at 7:37am

It brings up the subject "Why is God called God instead of being a named being who happened to be a god?"

Surely it's another part of the control mechanism of christianity to debunk or dilute all other gods.

Comment by Unseen on May 5, 2012 at 9:48am

Imagining what a Christian might say, "Because I don't call my father 'Herb.' I call him 'Dad.'"

Comment by kris feenstra on May 5, 2012 at 2:47pm

"Why is God called God instead of..."

I think it's a practice that mutated out of Judaism.  Jews don't typically write any of their god's proper names on permanent media (paper, engravings etc.).  Instead they refer to him more generically, so in English you get  'God' or 'G-d'.  I only vaguely understand the reason behind this.

Deuteronomy 12

  1. These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the LORD God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.
  2. Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: 
  3. And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
  4. Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God.
  5. But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come:

Basically, destroy the names of other gods, but not the name of their own god was interpreted to mean that it was wrong to ever destroy the name of their god in any context.  If you simply avoid writing it for the most part, what isn't written cannot be destroyed.

From there you end up with lots of references to Elohim as 'God', so I figure Christians picked up the habit from that.  Not having read the Bible in its entirety, I don't know if their god is ever referred to by his name in the New Testamant, but I assume 'God' is much more common.  If that's what Christians grew up reading or hearing, that's what they are going to say.

Comment by Pope Beanie on May 5, 2012 at 11:42pm

@Atheist Exile no, I wasn't picking you out in particular.

Grammar seems to me to inherit as much credibility and enforcement (and sometimes, fanaticism) as dogma. About 1-1/2 years ago I started a wordy discussion here at TA trying to explain this without causing readers to add their emotions to it. I want to re-write it before posting a link here because it's too long, and it looks disorganized after some members deleted all of their TA posts when they quit TA.

Summary: The enforcement of strict rules for language is probably a vestigial, psychological urge that was most useful way back when we humans were evolving languages. It's not just "grammar nazis" that push the rules so hard, but any culture or subculture that evolves its own language variations, especially adolescents. Many humans make fun of others who speak differently, because of a built-in, emotionally-based urge to speak "appropriately" among peers. The enforcement of vocabulary and grammar rules was essential when humans were first developing language, but it's used too often now as an ad hom weapon, even as our language is now orders of magnitude more developed and effective than it was when it first evolved.

Although what I'm saying is related to Andrew's topic, I don't want to take his discussion off course. Y'all go ahead and continue to express yourselves honestly! When I repost my dissident pov, I'll provide a link somewhere.

Comment by G. Michael Williams on May 5, 2012 at 11:48pm

The reason for lowercase "g", the theist assert talking about god, means it's real.  Using a G infers respect for their  faith, hence the lowercase to show a complete disregard for their belief system.

Comment by Unseen on May 6, 2012 at 12:12am

@G. Michael Williams

Atheism as a hate group rather than defenders of reason.

Comment by G. Michael Williams on May 6, 2012 at 12:25am

@Unseen, when I deny another human rights for their delusion, you may call it hate.  Not respecting something that deserves no respect is reasonable.

Comment by Unseen on May 6, 2012 at 12:27am

Your problem is the problem of all radicals: you're more concerned with pleasing yourself than accomplishing anything.

Comment by G. Michael Williams on May 6, 2012 at 12:31am

@Unseen, Atheists played nice for 100's of years....the churches have dominated much of society.  The Anti-Theists have been banging drums for about 15 years and Reason is gaining momentum at unprecedented rates.  Being a sweetheart and respecting everyone is often referred to as a doormat for those with strong opinions and convictions.

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