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Comment by Pope Beanie on May 3, 2012 at 4:26pm

Y'all stop it now.

I like the creative use of language even when it bends grammar rules, but I don't like having to decipher lazy or careless scribblers. My gramma's far from Perfect, but Perfect is always trying to be an exclusive dog ma, and I don't mean Dog Ma, Gramma, but bitchin', right Dog?

Fictional Character Names get capitalized. Period!

Space coma.

Comment by Pope Beanie on May 3, 2012 at 4:51pm

(Err: Fictional Character Names gets capitalized.)

Comment by Andrew on May 3, 2012 at 5:24pm

I think I might also add, "My cat's name is Cat," since I literally did once have a cat named Cat. Also, you can call the president "President," but I won't add that, b/c I'm not sure what the rule is on titles.

Also, I'm now considering naming my next pet "God" or "Yaweh." I've heard of cats named Zeus. 

Comment by Unseen on May 3, 2012 at 6:01pm

Unseen The question is not if they swayed by arguments if god exists or not but does their reverence for a said god need to be respected by others that don't hold their view.

But this is a grammatical matter, not a religious or political one. Contrary to what someone said elsewhere, language isn't an "institution" because nobody instituted it. Rather, it's a cultural artifact, and one we depend upon for clear communication. Deviated from it simply accomplishes confusion. Thinking it's about reverence for God is to miss the point by a  mile and makes you look like a crank, which will mean your views get dismissed.

Over the centuries xianity has required respect and there are those that would like to see that continue, I choose to not observe their wish.

Capitalization issues have nothing to do with their wishes. Indeed, I would bet that Christians who don't capitalize the word would be easy to find. Further, it wouldn't be because they agree with you. Like a lot of zealots, who get sidetracked by trivial issues, your energy would be better spent on something that might actually make a difference.

Actually, the amount of attention you give this issue IS a form of respect, so you are subverting your own intentions

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on May 3, 2012 at 10:33pm

The trouble is that Christians almost never refer to Yahweh when they say 'God' - for the most part few of them will even acknowledge the old testament unless they are demanding that we accept the world is 6,000 years old.  When Christians say 'God' they are referring to some combination of Yahweh, Jesus, and/or the holy spirit but you can never nail them down on inconsistencies in their assertions about 'God' because the just jump from father to son to spirit to random passages from the bible that may simply quote prophets or even Paul for fuck sakes.

I demand that they name the god of whom they speak at any given point because the collage character to whom they refer is NOT an individual like Dad - hence the word god does not name anything/anyone.

Comment by Ed on May 3, 2012 at 10:48pm

"Grammatical silliness won't get anyone to change their mind about the existence of God or the worth of their religion." -Unseen

How true. Substance over style. If you can somehow persuade theists to consider the value of critical thought then maybe, just maybe, that little arrow of doubt might pierce their armor of emotion and ignorance. Big g, little g is really not the core issue.

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 4, 2012 at 1:01am

@Pope Paul,

I have maintained, throughout, that I my non-grammar reasons for capitalizing is my reasons and that it doesn't matter to me if you don't agree. I have no problem with that. That's hardly dogmatic (if you were referencing me).

My only bone of contention is a grammatical one. Names (proper nouns) are capitalized. If you're making a statement by not capitalizing the word "god", then good for you. But if you're saying God is not a proper noun, then I say bullshit . . . no matter what spin ANY atheist puts on it..

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 4, 2012 at 1:04am

Damn, that last sentence should read:

"But if you're saying God is not a proper noun when invoked as his name, then I say bullshit . . . no matter what spin ANY atheist puts on it."

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 4, 2012 at 1:25am

Our money uses God as a proper noun.

In God we trust.

Which irks me. It has no business being on our money. If you were to write, "In god we don't trust", it wouldn't raise a blip with me. I would recognize that it probably was not a grammar error but, rather, an intentional and specific disregard for grammar in the case of capitalizing the word God. Good for you. I don't share your desire to make a public statement of disregard, especially in any arena in which there is potential social intercourse with believers. It's a minor point, to be sure, but I also have other reasons. After I add English grammar to all my reasons, using a small g just seems so . . . well . . . petty.

Comment by Heather Spoonheim on May 4, 2012 at 1:31am

"In God we trust" is a perfect example.  Why not just say "In Jesus we trust"?  On the one hand 'God' bypasses an explicit establishment of religion, but on the other hand it specifically excludes Judaism, Islam, and Hinduism by suggesting that there is only one god, his name is God, but by English rules of grammar he's the "Christian god" which is actually at least 3 different entities.  It's an imprecise thought that is the core of the cognitive virus of Christianity.


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