Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 12:02pm

that last sentence should read, "That's pure bunk if you're invoking the name, God".

Comment by kris feenstra on May 3, 2012 at 12:04pm

I don't think you directed your comments at the correct person.

Comment by Jim Minion on May 3, 2012 at 12:33pm

Atheist Exile If I want to talk about a xian gods then I can use proper names, I know their names I will use them. I don't believe in any gods and none of them are mine. When I talk about gods they all hold the status, small g.

Comment by Gary Mueller on May 3, 2012 at 12:34pm

I refuse to capitalize god out of sheer contempt, that will teach it

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 1:15pm

@Kris Feenstra,

Nope. Directed at you. You said:

It's not like capitalization is the only grammatical indicator.  Lack of an accompanying article, possessive, or pronoun will also indicate a proper noun depending on context.  If certain theists want to call their god 'God', it is their prerogative, just as I can call my cat 'Cat'.  Heck, I can call my cat 'God' as well.

Obviously you can do what you like, but the exceptional behaviour in this case is yours.  The imposition on language is yours.  Those that capitalize are well within established conventions.

My comment was a direct reply to you. Your rationale is just plain wrong. Grammar isn't a matter of opinion. You DO understand that, don't you? A proper name is capitalized. God is a proper named when it references a specific deity (as opposed to an unspecified deity).

Give it up, Kris. It's the age of Google. I defy ANYBODY to Google a valid English grammar reference that contradicts this rule.

Comment by kris feenstra on May 3, 2012 at 1:22pm

 A proper name is capitalized. God is a proper named when it references a specific deity (as opposed to an unspecified deity).

I never said anything to the contrary.  You are just reading incorrectly.

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 1:23pm

@Jim Minion,

I have my reasons -- other than grammar -- for capitalizing God. Others have their reasons for NOT capitalizing. That's fine with me. But if you assert a logical basis for your reasons (other than a preference) then that logic has to hold up to scrutiny.

I saw gaping holes in your logic but you had addressed the comment to Unseen, so I left it to him to reply to you. But if you'd like to redirect that post to me, I'll be glad to reply.

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 1:25pm

@Gary Mueller,

Sic 'em! There's a reason I can respect.

Comment by Unseen on May 3, 2012 at 1:26pm

@Jim Minion

Unseen The other side of that argument is, by not capitalizing they will bring up that point and I can explain my position. The fact they don't like means little, the fact we have the conversation, may no matter how doubtful, get them to see the point.

I'm absolutely sure they'll be blown away. But let me ask, if they are unswayed by the actually strong arguments against the existence of God, what percentage do you anticipate persuading with this tactic?

It will have the contrary effect of making you look like either a radical crackpot or an annoying nitpicker.

Grammatical silliness won't get anyone to change their mind about the existence of God or the worth of their religion.



Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 2:30pm

For Christ's sake, Kris, it's too late. Your words are a matter of record.. I will repeat them (again):

It's not like capitalization is the only grammatical indicator.  Lack of an accompanying article, possessive, or pronoun will also indicate a proper noun depending on context.  If certain theists want to call their god 'God', it is their prerogative, just as I can call my cat 'Cat'.  Heck, I can call my cat 'God' as well.

Obviously you can do what you like, but the exceptional behaviour in this case is yours.  The imposition on language is yours.  Those that capitalize are well within established conventions.

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