Capitalization of God/god

just clarifying

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Comment by Gary Mueller on May 3, 2012 at 12:34pm

I refuse to capitalize god out of sheer contempt, that will teach it

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 1:15pm

@Kris Feenstra,

Nope. Directed at you. You said:

It's not like capitalization is the only grammatical indicator.  Lack of an accompanying article, possessive, or pronoun will also indicate a proper noun depending on context.  If certain theists want to call their god 'God', it is their prerogative, just as I can call my cat 'Cat'.  Heck, I can call my cat 'God' as well.

Obviously you can do what you like, but the exceptional behaviour in this case is yours.  The imposition on language is yours.  Those that capitalize are well within established conventions.

My comment was a direct reply to you. Your rationale is just plain wrong. Grammar isn't a matter of opinion. You DO understand that, don't you? A proper name is capitalized. God is a proper named when it references a specific deity (as opposed to an unspecified deity).

Give it up, Kris. It's the age of Google. I defy ANYBODY to Google a valid English grammar reference that contradicts this rule.

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 1:23pm

@Jim Minion,

I have my reasons -- other than grammar -- for capitalizing God. Others have their reasons for NOT capitalizing. That's fine with me. But if you assert a logical basis for your reasons (other than a preference) then that logic has to hold up to scrutiny.

I saw gaping holes in your logic but you had addressed the comment to Unseen, so I left it to him to reply to you. But if you'd like to redirect that post to me, I'll be glad to reply.

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 1:25pm

@Gary Mueller,

Sic 'em! There's a reason I can respect.

Comment by Unseen on May 3, 2012 at 1:26pm

@Jim Minion

Unseen The other side of that argument is, by not capitalizing they will bring up that point and I can explain my position. The fact they don't like means little, the fact we have the conversation, may no matter how doubtful, get them to see the point.

I'm absolutely sure they'll be blown away. But let me ask, if they are unswayed by the actually strong arguments against the existence of God, what percentage do you anticipate persuading with this tactic?

It will have the contrary effect of making you look like either a radical crackpot or an annoying nitpicker.

Grammatical silliness won't get anyone to change their mind about the existence of God or the worth of their religion.



Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 2:30pm

For Christ's sake, Kris, it's too late. Your words are a matter of record.. I will repeat them (again):

It's not like capitalization is the only grammatical indicator.  Lack of an accompanying article, possessive, or pronoun will also indicate a proper noun depending on context.  If certain theists want to call their god 'God', it is their prerogative, just as I can call my cat 'Cat'.  Heck, I can call my cat 'God' as well.

Obviously you can do what you like, but the exceptional behaviour in this case is yours.  The imposition on language is yours.  Those that capitalize are well within established conventions.

Hello? Anybody home?

Comment by Jim Minion on May 3, 2012 at 3:13pm

Unseen The question is not if they swayed by arguments if god exists or not but does their reverence for a said god need to be respected by others that don't hold their view.

Over the centuries xianity has required respect and there are those that would like to see that continue, I choose to not observe their wish.

Unseen your sarcasm is beautiful in it's grammar but it has not persuaded me to show respect I feel is unwarranted.

Comment by Atheist Exile on May 3, 2012 at 3:26pm

@ Jim Minion and Kris Feenstra,

I have expressed my reasons for capitalizing God. You don't need to agree. It's not a big deal. But your reasons DO need to be logically consistent.

With grammar (i.e. Kris Feenstra), it's a whole different matter. Grammar is NOT about preferences. It's the rules of expression. It doesn't matter if we disagree with those rules. There are no grammar courts to settle objections.

There may be a whole lot of rules of grammar but, individually, they're not very difficult to understand . . . it's remembering them all that's so difficult. The rules for capitalization of proper names is very clear and concise. You capitalize them. The graphic in the OP is precisely correct and any idiot can understand it.

"Grammitcal indicator"? "Accompanying article"? "Possessive"? "Pronoun"? "Context"? PURE OBFUSCATION. Read my lips: PROPER NAMES ARE CAPITALIZED.

Period.

End of story.

Comment by Jim Minion on May 3, 2012 at 3:59pm

Atheist Exile The proper name of xian gods are Yahweh, Jesus, and Holy Spirit.

Here is quote from  Austin Cline

"Christians are accustomed to using God because they always reference it in a personal manner - they say that "God has spoken to me," not that "my god has spoken to me." Thus, they and other monotheists might be taken aback at finding people who don't privilege their particular god concept and so reference it in a general manner, just as they do with everyone else's god. It's important to remember in such cases that it is not an insult simply to not be privileged."

Comment by Tom Holm on May 3, 2012 at 4:04pm
Putb it like this, if your writing a paper or article then yes capitalize it as it is proper grammer. But any other time, fuck it and if they don't like it then so what?

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