Good point Stephen. The "no" has no contextual value as the chart is meant to describe God (not to say anything about his existence).
I don't beleive anyone wants to "convert" you. You make an assertion, and facts are needed to substantiate a claim right or wrong. The misconception is, where the burden of proof lies, You claim god, I lack evidence, you give youre evidence, I reject it, you get angry about that, and the ball rolls down hill. I very well appreciate youre attitude of to each there own, just let it be that way and question why you are on an (a)theist site. If you want to belong greal welcome to have you (me personally)
Okay Gang - Here is what I propose to Liam, I and a couple of other colleagues have a Unicorn each. One is purple, one is white, and the baby is purple. We are going to mate the two adults Unicorns near a striped tree, and Voila, a purple and white striped Unicorn.
I have been told the baby Unicorn is a tad violent, we will have to see if we can get over that one. Violence seems to be the norm today, so I don't see that as a BIG problem.
The Unicorn is in the bible, so it must be true - I trust everything i see and read in the bible - except maybe the bit about selling the daughter, and oh, yeh, The Tree of Knowledge is a bit stretched, and oh, yeh, the bit about every baby is born with original sin - I really don't like that one.
We have decided to make yet another version of the bible - but ours is going to be happy, no torture, no killing of women and children and babies, no killing of children by frigging bears - yep, our bible is going to be REALLY REALLY GOOD.
What do ya think?
Liam - do want in on this?
I don’t buy into any god because there is no evidence to support it. Plain and Simple. My biggest beef is with Christianity, but only because that was the tool used in my youth to dominate my life. In the bible God is light, where he is not there is darkness, and he is all good. I know you have stated that you don’t think he is, but in Revelations he will create a perfect utopia that will be absent from Sin, so that tells me that he is only “good” unless he decided to expel the evil from inside of him (aside from other scriptures that suggest the same). So then if God isn’t all good, but he can choose to make himself that way, then he has got some issues, a major god-complex (yes a funny). I too have read the Bible, several times, over and over growing up, and there are far too many contradictions and things that just don’t make any sense for me to buy into it all. And let’s not forget that the Bible is really just a collection of stories paraphrased from countless other religions that came about before its conception (The Jesus story has been in many other religions, also claiming that they were the right version of it). For me god is just a place holder that our species has invented to explain the unexplained. We don’t know how the Sun moves across the sky? Must be an invisible god pulling across in a chariot. We don’t know where the Universe comes from? An all powerful being was lonely and wanted companions so he created us and the universe to show us how powerful he is ( I know you said you weren’t a creationists, just quoting the general claim from most who buy into god). This can be seen throughout history, and I just don’t want to claim to believe something is how it is without a satisfactory explanation that has evidence to back it up. I’m with Matt, I would love to hear what you believe in and discuss it so we can stop answering you as if you were a typical theist, as it seems you have some ideas that differ with the mainstream, would be interesting. ^_^
And to respond to "God wouldn't test us if He already knew the outcome." Uh. He knows the outcome but He gives us a chance to exercise our free will. Lol. Then you'd all be crying when He banished you straight to Hell without you ever living everything out and earning the consequences of your own behavior and choices.
Then how is that free will? He knows what you will do if he knows the outcome, therefore you cant decide, it is merely the illusion of free will. So it sounds like to me he is just giving an excuse for banishing people to an eternity of pain. “No, no, you have “free will” so you get to chose the blue or red pill, you’re going to take the red one no matter what cuz I have this really cool story planned out and you making the other choice would mess it all up so… yeah both are actually the red bill, I’m god so I can make it look like whatever I want to you, so go on, use your “free will” and decide.”
So did Liam provide any evidence of this god of his yet or is he still spewing nonsensical word games?
Heather, we are waiting for Liam to create a forum post so we discuss this properly. Read back a couple of pages and you can see us organising it... I thought he would be back by now but I guess not...
Unfortunately today, life interfered with my plan to respond. At the moment I have only the time to log and let y'all know that I haven't forgotten, or blown you off... Just need a couple hours to finish up this work I'm on right now.
Thank for the patience.
Thanks for letting us know, Liam - I love a good debate, especially from someone who doesn't seem to mind taking a lot of flak, LOL. :D
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