Comment by Strega on July 14, 2013 at 6:45pm

So God wasn't the God of everyone then - the other nations were not his?  How does that gel with the creationism story where he supposedly created the ancestors of everyone?  How does anyone get these bits of information straight enough to understand?

Seriously, at least the Hindu stories hang together.

Comment by Keith Pinster on July 14, 2013 at 8:35pm

@Strega - Mostly, these are things I've picked up over the years, but here is an except from the South London Metropolitan Community Church's website (

"The verses from Leviticus state, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”  These seemingly startling words occur solely in the Holiness Code of Leviticus, which is, in effect, a manual for Israel’s priests listing rules and rituals to ensure religious purity for the Hebrew people; a people called by God to be ‘holy’ for Him, that is, ‘set apart’ from all other people.  The meaning of the words can therefore only be fully appreciated within the historical and cultural context of the Hebrew people."

Comment by Strega on July 14, 2013 at 8:50pm

Thanks Keith!

Comment by Keith Pinster on July 15, 2013 at 12:17am

@Gallup - Interesting.  I was under the impression that all of those laws fell under the "holiness code."  I guess I should waste my life reading more of the bible.  LOL  Just kidding! 

Anyway, thanks for clarifying that.

Comment by Keith Pinster on July 15, 2013 at 12:34am

@Strega - Yes, you make a very good point.  The doG of the bible is very specifically the doG of "ISRAEL" until the sequel came out (the book of Harry potter.  No, wait, that other fictitious character... jebus, ya, that's him!).

One question I like to ask Young Earthers is this: if you are right and only 5 or 6 thousand years ago, people actually had direct conversations with your doG (which means they KNEW for a FACT that doG existed and was the one and only), where did all the other religions come from? How did the Norse, Roman, Egyptian, Japanese, Chinese, Sumerian, Aboriginal, etc. mythologies come to be?

So far no one has been able to answer, but the only thing I can think that they might imagine to justify it is that those people were "mad at doG" (like they like to accuse us of being) and went off to make those other myths just to spite doG. But that would be like being "mad" at your parents, so you actually stop believing in their existence and make up completely imaginary parents to replace them and start actually believing those other parents are real, which is pretty much impossible unless you are a complete lunatic (which is why I think xians would think of it). It's crazy, but I don't think it's crazy enough that a xian wouldn't think of it as a valid argument.

Comment by Strega on July 15, 2013 at 12:41am

But that would be like being "mad" at your parents, so you actually stop believing in their existence and make up completely imaginary parents to replace them and start actually believing those other parents are real, which is pretty much impossible unless you are a complete lunatic (which is why I think xians would think of it).

Random - that may well be the longest single sentence I have ever read on TA!

Comment by John Cook on August 21, 2013 at 8:02pm

Regrettably, number one seems to give the Bible reality. I have never seen anything that proved that Jesus existed. I think it may have been a social myth designed to support people in an unsavory time when killing was common and everyone feared for their lives. Consider how close it was to Horus and a multitude of others that predated the Jesus myth.

Religion dominated people are so badly mistaken are they not? 

Comment by Physeter on August 21, 2013 at 9:35pm

#8. To condemn homosexuality, you must use parts of the bible you no longer obey.

@Gallup: It's lesbians the Bible and Jesus make no mention of. The Bible refers only to male homosexuals. God is totally cool with woman lying with woman. Jesus digs that shit.

I don't know why people focus on Leviticus as if there was no mention of homosexuals in the New Testament.

Romans 1:18-26: "18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Ever wonder why some Christians say gays aren't born that way, they get that way because they were abused or were sinful or attacked by demons or something? Yeah, they're not making that up out of their own heads or drawing it from the oldest biblical texts. They're getting it right out of Paul's manual of how to follow Jesus.

All throughout the new testament, homosexuals are on the lists of evildoers. Some people say that most of those references are to ritual prostitutes, not loving relationships, but this verse in Romans is pretty clear.

For most non-crazy Christians, it is no trouble to disregard parts of the old law. The new testament specifically tells us to disregard certain parts. If Christians could do the same with homosexuality, it would make it a lot easier for me to stay in the church. But that's one of many things that grew to bug me more and more over the years. I couldn't see how "gay" could be a sin based on real evidence, but it seemed really clear that it was wrong based on the Bible.

Comment by Strega on August 21, 2013 at 9:48pm

Actually it sounds like this god made them have sex with others of the same gender as a punishment.  It doesn't talk about gay relationships at all, just sex.

I have often wondered how many Christians would still be Christians if there were no promise of an afterlife.  If they truly believed that death was the absolute end, do you think they'd still 'keep the faith'?  Would they?  I'm betting not.

Comment by Nina van der Roos on August 22, 2013 at 4:51pm
Gallup it is no surprise to me that god is ok with lesbians, that is in line with most males. Even the otherwise homophobic ones who despite their objections to men buggering about rather like the idea of two naked women enjoying each others bodies !

We lesbians rock!


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