@Unseen "I grew up in Christendom and never once did I hear anyone enunciate anything like that."
Of course not. Xians are far to self-righteous to actually admit to being misogynistic. Just because they joke (usually halfheartedly) about "the woman's place is in the kitchen", "that's 'woman's' work", "the man is the 'lord' of the manor". There is no need to these delusional hypocrites to actually actually proclaim that men are superior to women and should control them, it is expected in these communities and households. It's all very subtle, but it is there in every xian church and household that I have ever has the misfortune of being involved in.
I think you're confusing a culture which has rigid and wrong concepts about sex roles with hatred of women. Misogyny is hatred of women. Hatred is a strong word. It's well beyond mere disdain and even further beyond being dismissive of women. Further, most of the Christian women I knew seemed happy with their role. You seem to be saying that these women were idiots, blind to the misogyny around them.
I'm not buying it.
I'm sure there are Christian misogynists. I'm equally sure there are atheist misogynists. All I said is that I never experienced anything in my experience as a Christian (Episcopal Church) that even MIGHT POSSIBLY have amounted to misogyny.
If your experience was otherwise, I don't know. However, when you talk about them being far too self-righteous to actually admit to their misogyny, it kind of hints that you haven't had much experience with Christians, or not with a broad sample of Christians.
Your phraseology indicates that the misogyny isn't unconscious, isn't the result of brainwashing, but is rather some sort of unspoken "boys against girls" conspiracy of some sort. That's nonsense.
RE: "You seem to be saying that these women were idiots, blind to the misogyny around them. I'm not buying it."
The Bible specifically states that men are superior to women and that men are to have dominion over them, and yet you're saying that women who embrace such a religion, even propagate it, aren't idiots? Who embraces domination? There must be a significant gap between my value system and yours.
archaeopteryx
You get used to it --
Sep 17, 2012
Unseen
@Keith Pinster
@Unseen "I grew up in Christendom and never once did I hear anyone enunciate anything like that."
Of course not. Xians are far to self-righteous to actually admit to being misogynistic. Just because they joke (usually halfheartedly) about "the woman's place is in the kitchen", "that's 'woman's' work", "the man is the 'lord' of the manor". There is no need to these delusional hypocrites to actually actually proclaim that men are superior to women and should control them, it is expected in these communities and households. It's all very subtle, but it is there in every xian church and household that I have ever has the misfortune of being involved in.
I think you're confusing a culture which has rigid and wrong concepts about sex roles with hatred of women. Misogyny is hatred of women. Hatred is a strong word. It's well beyond mere disdain and even further beyond being dismissive of women. Further, most of the Christian women I knew seemed happy with their role. You seem to be saying that these women were idiots, blind to the misogyny around them.
I'm not buying it.
I'm sure there are Christian misogynists. I'm equally sure there are atheist misogynists. All I said is that I never experienced anything in my experience as a Christian (Episcopal Church) that even MIGHT POSSIBLY have amounted to misogyny.
If your experience was otherwise, I don't know. However, when you talk about them being far too self-righteous to actually admit to their misogyny, it kind of hints that you haven't had much experience with Christians, or not with a broad sample of Christians.
Your phraseology indicates that the misogyny isn't unconscious, isn't the result of brainwashing, but is rather some sort of unspoken "boys against girls" conspiracy of some sort. That's nonsense.
Sep 17, 2012
archaeopteryx
RE: "You seem to be saying that these women were idiots, blind to the misogyny around them. I'm not buying it."
The Bible specifically states that men are superior to women and that men are to have dominion over them, and yet you're saying that women who embrace such a religion, even propagate it, aren't idiots? Who embraces domination? There must be a significant gap between my value system and yours.
Sep 17, 2012