الملحـدين المصـريين - Egyptian Atheists

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  • archaeopteryx

    Good to know - there are so many cool ex-Muslims out there. If there were only some way to neutralize that Islamic death threat for apostasy, I'm guessing there would be droves of bail-outs.

  • archaeopteryx

    The Secular Coalition of America is an atheist organization that tries to work with members of State and Federal government to increase freedoms for the non-religious. Sometimes they approach appropriate parties in the UN to attempt to acheive the same goal world wide. I received this today:

    • UN: On Oct. 26, two representatives from the secular community -- Matt Cherry of the International Humanist and Ethical Union and myself -- had the chance to meet privately with the UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion or Belief, Heiner Bielefeldt. For those unaware, Bielefeldt is essentially the UN's watchdog on abuses of the rights to freedom of religion and belief. Matt and I shared with him a report including information on global laws that restrict the rights to freedom of belief and expression, and the many cases of secular people being punished for de-converting or criticizing religion. Bielefeldt was grateful, remarking that he had never before received such a report from secular representatives at the UN, and that he would like to foster a relationship with us in order to become more informed regarding our issues. This is especially fantastic news because Bielefeldt's annual reports are largely based on information passed to him by NGOs, and he has ability to bring attention to cases and issues we are concerned about. We will let you know when our report is ready for release and keep you updated as things move forward.  Anyone who would like to suggest questions or remarks for these meetings can email mdedora@centerforinquiry.net. More information on the Committee and all its events can be found at http://unforb.wordpress.com/ (Thank you to Michael DeDora for this update, mdedora@centerforinquiry.net, 646.706.6080)
  • archaeopteryx

    Not really great news, Guys --

    Egyptian Islamists rally for Shariah law

  • Marvel

    This will be ugly

  • archaeopteryx

    I can't imagine it's spontaneous, I'm guessing planned an organized by Islamists trying to force their beliefs onto the entire country.

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @archaeopteryx well dont worry me and a couple of guys were there with them walking and hearing their stupid chants while drinking beer.. The truth is eventually those islamists are gonna start fighting one another over whose version of sharia is correct and i hope when this happens it will be our time to shine :)

  • archaeopteryx

    Is it safe to organize and demonstrate openly for a more secular government? It seems to me that loss of tourism dollars would be a good selling point. Pakistan, for example, is not exactly the tourism capital of the world!

  • archaeopteryx

    If anyone runs across someone who's riding the fence, who hasn't really decided which way to go, offer them this, and ask them to just think about it --

     

  • Skeptical Wanderer

    Hey guys... Is there a chat room for this group ? Please let me know if it does exist..Cheers

  • Marvel

    actually there is no chat room for the group, however u can help yourself with the wall and say whatever u want ..or u can add a topic for all of us to discuss.

  • archaeopteryx

    You can also chat privately with an individual, off of the public chat room, though I'm not entirely sure how to do it. I just know that others have opened chat windows to me that way.

    kOrsan would be a good one to ask, or I'm sure it can be figured out, with enough effort. Possibly, by  checking several boxes in your "Friends List," you can initiate chats with multiple friend, but I'd suggest emailing the site administrators for instructions.

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @Skeptical Wanderer - Nice seeing you here too buddy

  • Marvel

    Evolution !!??

  • archaeopteryx

    De-volution!

  • archaeopteryx

    851,383 - the Malala petition is up and running once again, but we were at 835,000 before Hurricane Sandy, when the website was knocked offline, and we're only a bit above that now, as you can see. We still need nearly 150,000 signers, so if you know anyone who hasn't signed but might like to, please ask them to do so at http://www.avaaz.org/en/malalahopenew/?slideshow

  • archaeopteryx

    This is a little old - September - but I thought I'd put it up anyway --

    Egyptian Teenager Eman Mostafa Who Was Groped 'Spat In Attacker's Face An...

    Egyptian Women

    Egyptian female activists have warned of a disturbing trend in violence against women after a 16-year-old girl was allegedly gunned down for spitting in the face of a man who tried to grope her.

  • archaeopteryx

    Only guys with your healthy outlooks can prevent Egypt from becoming another Pakistan:

    Pakistan court sentences man to death for blasphemy

  • archaeopteryx

    FYI - Malala's petition is at 875,018 and climbing every second, despite the interruption by Hurricane Sandy!

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @archaeoteryx In Pakistan you have liberal areas like Islamabad and Lahore (that actually has a red area - called Hira Mandy which translates to Diamond Market) and really screwed up places that implement sharia like N.W.F.P, i am hearing though that its becoming extremely conservative, we are doing what we can here though - lets see if you can jump over the apparent inevitable dark ages

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @David N Yeah i know how you feel you found the right place check you inbox

  • archaeopteryx

    @Mohamed - we're just now finally crawling out of ours, and yours still has quite a ways to go, but the key to both is education.

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @archaeopteryx the only way might be to do what India did, make closest communities for the smart and let them develop for the rest. Still that will be impossible as the current system (the whole system) is great for islamists.

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @David N forgot to tell you something dude, its not the nuts that are the problem as you can avoid them, the real problem are the schizophrenic ones who sit and drink then say "Oh may allah help me stop this sin" - retards to say the least

  • archaeopteryx

    It just HAS to be SO frustrating Mohamed, living in an environment where zealots can cut your throat, not minding if they are killed or imprisoned in the process, because they believe a supernatural entity will take care of them in the afterlife. And even worse, that one can't even go to the authorities, who hold the same belief systems, put forth 1400 years ago by an illiterate epileptic and accepted as truth.

    I wish I could offer you viable advice, but the truth is, that if I were there, I probably wouldn't live a week!

  • Mohamed Zaki

    Its frustrating alright but you get used to it and learn to deal  - adaptable species we are ;) I am sure it will all end, its just a matter of time 

  • archaeopteryx

    It sounds like an almost closed, self-sustaining system, which is difficult to destroy, as a perfect, closed, self-sustaining system permits no outside input.

    The Achilles heel lies with those Islamists sufficiently affluent  as to be able to send their children to Universities outside their respective countries, who come back with a more secular outlook, and who, by their relative affluence and superior education, may be in a better position to lead their countries out of the Islamic Dark Age. But that's a long, evolving process.

  • archaeopteryx

    My granddaughter spent her fourth grade year in elementary school, sitting at an adjoining desk with a young Islamic boy, and was hurt when his father sent him back to Pakistan to live with relatives, because he was becoming too "American." That's sad.

  • archaeopteryx

    Someone might want to pass this on to Egyptian authorities, they might learn something!

    Tunisia will not allow Islamists to impose vision: PM

    TUNIS (Reuters) - Tunisia's Islamist-led government will not allow puritanical Salafis to enforce their vision on a country grappling with the role of Islam in a once rigidly secular society, the prime minister said on Tuesday.

    "Militants who have used violence are few, but they can not impose their vision on our country and our people. We will not allow them ... Tunisia will remain moderate," Hamadi Jebali, who belongs to the Islamist Ennahda party, said in an interview.

    "We will face religious fanaticism through law and be strict with all violators without exception, but we will address the root cultural and social causes by combating poverty and creating jobs," Jebali said.

  • archaeopteryx

    I found this in an article regarding the current protest in Egypt, and liked it:

    If the Brotherhood's slogan is 'Islam is the solution' ours is 'submission is not the solution'," said Khalili, a mass communications professor at the American University in Cairo. "God does not call for submission to another man's will."

  • Mohamed Zaki

    For all people willing to stand and make a point that freedom in all its forms has those who are willing to defend it and will be in tahrir tomorrow give me a call if you wish 01097206706, Its not certain that it will work but at least so that none will regret not standing at a time when they should have.. if you think its meaningless though then i do respect your opinion and respectfully disagree..

  • Ali

    إحصائية للملحدين في العالم - حتى الآن سجل من مصر 133 فقط ، عدد أعضاء صفحتنا اكثر ! .. نرجوا تعميم الإحصائية وتوصيلها لكل ملحد مصري ليسجل نفسه
  • Hope

    Alia is nude again protesting against sharia law..

    Here http://www.thinkatheist.com/group/egyptianatheists/forum/topics/ops...

  • archaeopteryx

    I thought you guys might enjoy some comedy relief for a change - watch this:

  • Hope

    @Ach, I love this video :)

  • archaeopteryx

    Glad you liked it Hope - has anyone heard from the Egyptian guys? With everything going on there, and their absence, I'm starting to worry.

  • Marvel

    @archaeopteryx .. thx for saking my friend .. i myslef am fine .. just has been busy moving to a new home and a new work place.

    things has been crazy here in the middle east lately .. but we r still surviving :))

  • archaeopteryx

    I think many of us just wish there was something we could do to help --

  • Mohamed Zaki

    hey archaeopteryx: thanks for asking dude, me and the others who meet are all well. 

  • archaeopteryx

    Good to know - just because you're over there, and we're over here safe and sound, doesn't mean we don't support you and worry for your safety!

  • Hope

    ~ Happy New Year ~

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @arch thanks for the support mate.. good luck 

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @hope Happy new year to you too best of luck too with the 2013

  • archaeopteryx

    Marvel, Mohamed, Hope - you people have GOT to read this guy! He's one of US!

    http://inthenameofallah.org/introduction.html

    (he also has a "Contact Us" link)

  • Hope

    @arch Thanks for sharing..

    Maybe this guy seem like an islamophobic or something! I don't know :S..

    Islam could be dangerous ONLY if muslims had a power.. Everybody knows that they are weak right now..
    Like the Ottoman Empire, if it still exist, it would be a major threat to the west..
    Maybe Christians fear what so called (Islamic awakening) these days = That's why!


    I liked the (What is a muslim) page..
    I wrote something similar to this. It's about the history of Muslims being Jewdu-christians (Hanif) before becoming Muslims..

    Here:

    http://www.thinkatheist.com/profiles/blogs/the-ebionites-and-muhammad

  • onyango makagutu

    Happy new year good people.

  • Suzanne Olson-Hyde

    @Hope A fabulous New Year to you and yours.
  • Mohamed Zaki

    @onyango thanks and happy new year to you too

  • Mohamed Zaki

    @arch i agree with hope as long as religious ppl keep it to themselves its always fine the problem though is keeping it that way - quite a challenge with whats happening now in egypt i would say and the rest of the arab spring

  • archaeopteryx

    Marvel - Arab Spring could have been a good thing, sweeping many despotic rulers out of power, but the Islamic Brotherhood and other groups like it were poised to move in, fill the void, and seize as much power as they could. It's hard to know how it will turn out, after the dust settles.

    I understand your issue is with Islam, but mine is with Islamic extremists, who try to force their beliefs onto others. If a Muslim wants to live next door to me, practice his beliefs and leave me free to practice mine, I have no problem with that. My kids could play with his, we could get together and watch the Cowboys - just don't try to tell me what to believe.

  • Suzanne Olson-Hyde

    Please read this - Saudi Atheists need us to be aware of what is going on - and please help by signing this petition.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pressure-egypt-saudi-arab...