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Quick response to religious BS:
Theist: You know you're going to Hell, right?
Atheist: [Brings out ipod with speakers... plays ACDC's "Highway to Hell" and laugh's head off]
Feb 1, 2011
I loved this article and i think you have excellent points...
I especially loved... "Do you think I'm going to hell? If yes, why? Why would God condemn me to eternal torture just for not believing him in the face of a huge lack of evidence? Why did he create me with my questioning, rational mind if I was going to be punished for exercising it? If no, then there's no reason to bother believing in him anyway."
This sums up my beliefs to "T" Why can't I think for myself? I was a catholic in my early years then i just started thinking for myself.....didnt a athiest turned catholic do the same thing??
Feb 7, 2011
Mine goes like this (assuming I'm talking to a christian): Your religion teaches that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior you will burn for eternity in hell. More or less. No matter if you are a good person, or are equally devout in another faith. The religion you have as an adult is hugely dependent on the time and place of your birth. If God chose to have you born today to a poor family in India, your chances of converting to christianity to be saved are near zero. If you were born in South America before the conquistador's came, you were not going to hear about Jesus. In essence, God chooses certain people to burn for eternity and they have no say in the matter.
I am sponsoring a child from a poor Indian family named Daktar through a faith based organization. He is a Christian and so is his family. Many others are doing the same. The word of God is becoming available to the entire world. In the past, however, there were those who never got the chance to hear about Jesus. We know that Jesus saves people who accept Him, but we do not know that He does not also save those who have never heard of them.
Religion is like football. Everyone wants to believe their home team is special, but the fact is they only think so because they were born there.
Countless people have their own beliefs that they were not born into, even many of you who read this.
there is no credible evidence for the existence of god. two things are generally proffered as evidence of god, scripture and the natural world (argument from perceived design).
Because the natural world isn’t credible? The heavens declare the glory of God. I urge you to watch a presentation called the Star of Bethlehem. There is also the Law of Nature described in C.S. Lewis’ Mere Christianity. There are also the universal constants that, if changed by the slightest fraction, would make life impossible anywhere. These universal constants do not vary, and therefore must have been fine tuned to allow life, unless by the smallest chance, they just happened to be the way they were. In this case one cannot use the argument that if you repeat something an infinite amount of times, the impossible becomes possible, because these constants DO NOT CHANGE. They are what they are once and only once.
I like to play the morality card, e.g. what motivates you to be a good person? If the answer is religion, cue argument about people with different religions (or no religion) still being good people, thus morality does not come from religion. So, what's the point of religion then?If they bring in heaven and hell, I counter by saying that if there is a god, I would hope that he would judge people on their actions (i.e. morality) rather than their superficial beliefs/practices.
The answer is not religion, the answer is God. God gave you a sense of morality whether you believe in Him or not. He has written the law on our hearts. The Word is there simply to feed your sense of morality and keep it healthy, it is not the source. Additionally, God does not judge based on superficial beliefs/practices, nor the superficial actions that you wished to be judged by. God judges people by what is in their heart. That is more genuine than either of the two things you mentioned.
Do you think I'm going to hell? If yes, why? Why would God condemn me to eternal torture just for not believing him in the face of a huge lack of evidence? Why did he create me with my questioning, rational mind if I was going to be punished for exercising it? If no, then there's no reason to bother believing in him anyway.
God does not condemn people for not believing in him, He condemns people for sinning. I was condemned before, but now I am saved. Would you rather He didn’t create you with a rational mind? He wants you to choose Him out of your own free will. He wants you to love Him because you want to, not because He forced you to. That is the purpose of free will; genuine love.
Do you believe in Zeus? Do you believe in FSM? How about unicorns or fairies? How about Xorplax, a god I just made up? Why not?... Well that's why I don't believe in your god, and why you shouldn't either.
No. No. No. No, you just made him up. Because I’m not an idiot. Ok. I’m glad we had this conversation.
I want to believe as many true things as possible and not believe as many things that aren't true as possible. The best way to do this I have come across is the scientific method. I require evidence to substantiate claims, and a preponderance of evidence to substantiate extraordinary claims.
The inexistence of God isn’t an extraordinary claim? I though atheists were a minority?
Faith is a weakness. Faith is the excuse we give ourselves to believe something when there is no good reason to. Faith actively stands in the way of looking for evidence and seeking further knowledge. Instead of faith, let us use reasonable expectation based on observation, and use hope for the things we cannot control.
In a game of musical chairs, one boy had no faith in the chair he was about to sit on, so instead he studied it to make sure it would support him. He lost.
All religious beliefs are so far objectively unjustifiable. If you can justify yours, please do so. Personal experience is fine for you, but know that if that is your only basis for belief, you have no footing on which to convince others your religion is valid; it is entirely possible you have misinterpreted your experience, or that your senses were unwittingly impaired at the time.
I believe in God because He has revealed Himself through scripture and through the world. I have had doubts. I have had questions. They have been answered. I can see His work being done in my life and the lives of those around me. He LIVES through the church; the body of believers. Countless prophecies of the Bible have been fulfilled. The heavens declare the glory of God. From where I stand, He is undeniable.
Mar 14, 2011
Religinut: "You are going to hell"
Me: "It's better to burn in hell than to spend a life of abject servility."
May 3, 2011