Carracci - The Butchers Shop - 1583
Life has no spiritual value. Don't worry I'm not trying to make any theist claims. I base the idea that animals have rights on the very same reasons that I base my idea that humans have rights. To take someone's life is a violation of their rights, and I think that violating someone's rights is a mistreatment of that individual. That's the point I'm trying to make about killing being a mistreatment.
(btw, lol@"Death is fine, dying is the shits." As Woody Allen said, "I'm not afraid of Death, I just don't want to be there when it happens.")
Human beings have hopes, dreams, and aspirations - most other animals do not, certainly not cattle or pigs, that's for certain. If someone is being kept alive on machines, living with no sense of the future, no dreams, no self-awareness, then I don't see any moral violation in turning off the machines and ending that life (that includes me, and I really hope that that is the decision that gets made if I ever end up in that position).
Just want to note that I did say earlier, "Killing sure seems like mistreatment to me (unless of course it's an act of mercy to end suffering.)"
No, they don't have hopes, dreams, and aspirations, but they are living, sentient, emotional beings. Just because they don't have language doesn't mean that they don't have a subjective experience. They have no understanding of themselves as such of course, but do you need to know the word "pain" to feel pain? No. Do you need to know the word "fear" to feel fear? No.
To feel pain or fear you need only be alive. I'm sorry, but that's just part of the routine. Personally I enjoy mine as best I can.
Okay you do realize you just painted yourself into not eating vegetables for the same moral stance.
Even if you ignore the lives of the plants that are routinely ended.
To make the vegetables you eat... thousands upon thousands of insects, arachnids(animals not bugs), weasels, skunks, rabbits, possum, armadillo, gophers, hedgehogs, rats... and sundry other pest creatures that are killed as part of that process all have lives. Taken for your feeding.
@Heather Yes, and one would think that to attempt to decrease the amount of fear, pain, suffering and unnecessary killing in the world would be an endeavor worthy of such a potentially noble creature as a human being.
Wow... so you really don't think it's immoral to kill someone as long as there's no warning? So you're cool with someone breaking into your house and killing you quickly in your sleep -- just as long as they don't wake you up first?
Well, I wouldn't complain about it, if that is what you are asking.
Killing for food is farming not mistreatment.
If your issue is killing the animal that is part of the reason for the industry that kills, butchers, packages and sells it for you squeamish people who cant handle killing your own food.
So, if I kill you, that's completely okay, as long as I call it "farming" instead of "mistreatment" (or, perhaps, murder) and as long as I kill you for the purpose of eating you?
If you kill somebody's dog, they will be very angry at you, not only because you've robbed them of their companion animal, but because they rightfully consider killing him or her to be a form of mistreatment. Arbitrarily ending an animal's life who might well have lived for several more years filled with life's usual ups and downs is a harm to animals. You're robbing them of the opportunity for future pleasure--and, in the case of herd animals, causing the animals in the group remaining alive to experience a loss.
You can blame the human hate argument though directly on some of your brethren in vegan arms.
Namely for one PETA and the terrorist groups it has funded and its statements directly endorsing violence against humans.
Then there is the less drastic but equally offensive statement that is brought forth in every discussion of vegans.. I prefer animals to humans. For a humanist like myself that statement is telling of the mindset of people towards their own species.