Carracci - The Butchers Shop - 1583
So you measure your choices on the least possible suffering?
Doesn't that make your choice on what and how to cause suffering subjective and open to your own interpretation of the levels of suffering given to each level of life?
How does that then differ from someone measuring the suffering of a domesticated beast?
I notice you ignore these questions.
Very dogmatic response
It is unambiguously the case that commonly domesticated animals such as cows, dogs, etc. feel pain, fear, etc. It is not even plausibly the case, let alone clearly, that plants have such feelings; you have cited two articles about plant perception, neither of which makes such a claim. If you care about not causing other humans to suffer, which unless you're a psychopath you do, there is no logical reason why you should not also care about whether you cause nonhuman animals to suffer. Or, to put it another way, if you would not do what Michael Vick did to his pit bulls, there is no logical basis for behaving any differently toward cows, pigs, chickens, or any other animals with capacities for sentience similar to a dog.
You seem wrapped up on this concept of 'killing fewer living things'. Do you have a supernatural belief system about 'life force' or something like that?
Direct study on plant wound reaction so you can throw off that meat eating conspiracy theory.
Which once again says nothing about plants feeling pain or emotions.
Plants have a nervous system.
Plants react to Wounds
Plants react to outside stimulus and defend against it.
Yet you dont define that as pain.
Its really sad that your so invested in your meat eater conspiracy theory to ignore documented peer reviewed science directly from its published journal.
Plants react to stimuli. So does my toaster. That doesn't mean that my toaster feels pain, fear and sadness and has consciousness. Although there may as yet be scientists who claim that plants feel pain and have evidence to back their claims up, that is not the case in the study you cited. Nowhere in the article did the researchers claim that plants felt pain or any other animal-like feelings. Yet you claim that I am the one who ignored what this article said (or didn't say)?
Comparing it to a toaster is bullshit and you know it.
You want to keep your comfortable world view thats fine but dont dismiss scientific documentation simply because you dont understand it.
Did I not speak English or something?
1) The researchers did not claim that plants felt pain or emotions.
2) I acknowledged that it was conceivable that some researchers at some future point might make such a claim.
3) You claimed that their article supported your position that plants feel pain or have other feelings.
4) You apparently have a reading comprehension deficit.
5) Again, in case you failed to understand point 2, I acknowledged that future researchers might claim, and present evidence, for what you say you believe is the case. However, the present researchers made no such claim.
I said it supports that they feel pain.
How else do you identify feeling pain beyond as stated in the article
Recent studies have advanced our understanding of the mechanisms by which plants recognize herbivores and subsequently activate direct and indirect defense responses.
It shows they can identify wounds and actively and inactively react to it with defenses. That is recognizing feeling. The other article i posted earlier shows their nervous system.
I never said the had consciousness. And that is not required to feel pain. Coma patients feel pain and are not conscious of it. Does that mean they do not suffer?You demonstrated lack of understanding with the toaster comment
I recognize that a coral snake has a red, black and yellow color pattern. I don't go near it because I have information indicating that snakes with that color pattern are poisonous. What does this have to do with feeling pain? Pain is a subjective feeling, not just a response to stimuli. And how can someone feel pain and not be conscious of it? That doesn't make any sense! It is possible that coma patients react to stimuli that would cause pain in a conscious human. It is possible that some coma patients have enough brain function in areas that produce consciousness to perceive pain. What does that have to do with whether plants feel pain, or whether the article you cited made any claims that plants felt pain? Absolutely nothing.