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Atheists who love Science!

A group for science enthusiasts of all types -- professionals, amateurs, students, anybody who loves science.

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Do You Need The Universe To Have Had A Beginning?

Started by Tom Sarbeck. Last reply by Davis Goodman May 19. 32 Replies

OLDEST KNOWN ANCESTOR?

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Pope Beanie Jan 31. 5 Replies

A Dark Milky Way?

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Dec 8, 2016. 6 Replies

African clawed frog

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Pope Beanie Oct 21, 2016. 2 Replies

Where does increased complexity come from in evolution?

Started by Anthony Blair. Last reply by Reg The Fronkey Farmer Sep 5, 2016. 206 Replies

3.7-billion-year-old fossils

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by JadeBlackOlive Sep 1, 2016. 2 Replies

Atheists Think about What We Believe, Don't We?

Started by Tom Sarbeck. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Aug 12, 2016. 4 Replies

CuriosityStream, anyone?

Started by Pope Beanie. Last reply by TJ Jul 13, 2016. 2 Replies

Mysterious cosmic radio bursts found to repeat

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Unseen Jul 10, 2016. 5 Replies

Neanderthals used fire in caves:

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by TJ Jun 29, 2016. 9 Replies

Migration back to Africa took place during the Palaeolithic

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Pope Beanie Jun 19, 2016. 7 Replies

Fossil Dog

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Unseen Jun 8, 2016. 13 Replies

Pre-Clovis civilization in Florida

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Belle Rose May 15, 2016. 4 Replies

On Canine Evolution and Domestication

Started by Pope Beanie. Last reply by TJ May 13, 2016. 4 Replies

Teeth vs. Tools

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by JadeBlackOlive Apr 28, 2016. 2 Replies

How Dinosaurs Grew From Hatchlings to Adults

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by JadeBlackOlive Apr 6, 2016. 18 Replies

Think your DNA is all human?

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by SteveInCO Mar 27, 2016. 9 Replies

Rate of carbon emissions put in context

Started by Pope Beanie Mar 24, 2016. 0 Replies

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Comment by Jaume on February 2, 2011 at 11:23am

- Look at these poor girls' feet, Samantha. How sad. They couldn't even figure out what a high heel designer shoe is for if they ever saw one.

- On the other hand, Carrie, I'm sure the boys must be very dextrous with their funny toes. Hmmm...

Comment by Pope Beanie on January 30, 2011 at 2:17am

Meh, color me skeptical. As in Michio Goes To Hollywood.

Besides, I think they're using the wrong frequencies.

Comment by Sydni Moser on January 29, 2011 at 10:12pm

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Comment by Free Thought Monk on January 26, 2011 at 3:09pm
I thought we were all deposits of star-stuff, resulting from some sort of vacuum fluctuation creating something from nothing.  You are suggesting  we merely began in Africa?  Back to my science books I guess. lol
Comment by Don on January 20, 2011 at 8:54am

Paul writes: "The dictionary I use most often says denies the existence of God, but now I see another def using lack." 

Let's keep in mind that the word we're defining is "atheism," not "atheist" (which is another reason why Rocky's suggestion doesn't work). 

Yes, some sources may define atheism as the denial of the existence of God, but that construction, too, looks at the word from the theist's stubborn perspective.   First, it presupposes God's existence; second, it casts the atheist's position as contrarian, which, in its simplest and purest form, it certainly is not.  The "denial" definition places the atheist in the position of saying, "No, he does not!" to the theist's claim, "God exists."  But that's mistaken, because the essence of atheism is belief; or rather, that is, its absence.  The atheist does not necessarily assert that gods do not exist.  Indeed, whether gods exist or not is beside the point.  The atheist may be indifferent to the question of whether gods exist.  He is simply without theistic belief.  That's it.

Michel, "shortage" doesn't work for the same reason "lack" doesn't work.  What's more, a shortage of something is merely an insufficiency.  By definition, when a shortage of a thing exists, there is usually some of it, but not enough. 

I realize this is a small point, but it is not an insignificant one.  When we atheists define atheism as "the lack of belief in gods," we are unwittingly admitting that something necessary is missing in us.  A lack is a deficiency

 

When we say that atheism is "the lack of belief in gods," we are accepting the theists' pitying view of our attitude.  Atheists are too often hesitant and apologetic about their views, but when it comes to defining the essence of our outlook on existence we should not compromise.  We are not deficient in theistic belief.  We are without theistic belief. 

George Smith (below) advocates the phrase "absence of belief," but that phrase does not belong to him, of course, and it predates his book by decades.  As the language evolves, all dictionaries revise their entries periodically.  Eventually, I'm sure, atheists sitting on dictionaries' usage panels will correct the obdurate and mistaken notion that many dictionaries persist in advancing when defining "atheism."    

Comment by Pope Beanie on January 20, 2011 at 1:59am
Aha, I did not know this. The dictionary I use most often says denies the existence of God, but now I see another def using lack. Frack!
Comment by Pope Beanie on January 20, 2011 at 12:59am
Therefore, one who lacks a belief in gods is missing something that is ostensibly needed.
I'm actually not so sure about what Fred meant.
Comment by NuKrit on January 20, 2011 at 12:14am
Lol Don, that is some awesome dissection.  Good to know.
Comment by Don on January 19, 2011 at 8:45pm

Rocky writes, "What's wrong with simply, 'an atheist is one who does not believe in a god or gods'?"

 

Nothing.  But that's what "absence of belief" means--it means there is not a belief.  It is not there.  Period.  Absence equals non-existence.  When something is described as absent, there is absolutely no implication that it "should" be present.

 

In the phrase "lack of belief," by contrast, the pejorative connotation is plain and unarguable.  A lack is deficiency--by definition.  Therefore, one who lacks a belief in gods is missing something that is ostensibly needed.  That's why the definition is flawed; it reflects an obvious bias.

Comment by RockyTIJ on January 19, 2011 at 7:35pm

Personally, I don't see a lot of improvement with "absence of" over "lack". Both imply something that "should" be there but that's missing. 

 

What's wrong with simply, "an atheist is one who does not believe in a god or gods"?

 

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OLDEST KNOWN ANCESTOR?

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Pope Beanie Jan 31. 5 Replies

Do You Need The Universe To Have Had A Beginning?

Started by Tom Sarbeck. Last reply by Davis Goodman May 19. 32 Replies

African clawed frog

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by Pope Beanie Oct 21, 2016. 2 Replies

3.7-billion-year-old fossils

Started by JadeBlackOlive. Last reply by JadeBlackOlive Sep 1, 2016. 2 Replies

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