Atheists who love Science!


Atheists who love Science!

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When a Devastating Solar CME Hits Earth...

Started by Pope Beanie. Last reply by Ken Hughes Mar 18, 2014. 1 Reply

House M.D. mind-reading technology

Started by Radu Andreiu. Last reply by Pope Beanie Dec 3, 2013. 2 Replies

Will we "Humans" evolve backwards?

Started by Sadly 'M' iCantSay. Last reply by Dave G Jun 15, 2013. 42 Replies

Radio Astronomy... "Sounds" of the Universe

Started by Nathan Hevenstone. Last reply by Nelly Bly Feb 24, 2013. 6 Replies

This was on 60 Minutes- What are your thoughts???

Started by Matt. Last reply by R Allan Worrell Feb 23, 2012. 7 Replies

My Review of the Ganzfeld Procedure

Started by Morgan Matthew. Last reply by Jim Sky Feb 14, 2012. 4 Replies

10 Questions for Stephen Hawking

Started by Sydni Moser. Last reply by Akshay Bist Jul 26, 2011. 18 Replies

Fun Science activities for kids? Any Suggestions?

Started by Jason Lamar Sorensen. Last reply by Jim Sky Jul 11, 2011. 11 Replies

assuming world peace is possible

Started by landofhopeanglory Jan 6, 2011. 0 Replies

Let us talk about unguided processes.

Started by Pancake Croissant. Last reply by Bill Dec 28, 2010. 29 Replies

How the Universe Makes the Building Blocks of Life

Started by Jesus_Was_A_Man_Or_Myth_Or_Both. Last reply by Jesus_Was_A_Man_Or_Myth_Or_Both Nov 30, 2010. 2 Replies

Asteroid Impact Procedures

Started by day vo. Last reply by day vo Nov 12, 2010. 1 Reply

SETI procedures

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Possible Geoglyphs Spotted in Peru

Started by Sydni Moser. Last reply by Doug Reardon Oct 17, 2010. 1 Reply

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Comment by NuKrit on January 20, 2011 at 12:14am
Lol Don, that is some awesome dissection.  Good to know.
Comment by Don on January 19, 2011 at 8:45pm

Rocky writes, "What's wrong with simply, 'an atheist is one who does not believe in a god or gods'?"


Nothing.  But that's what "absence of belief" means--it means there is not a belief.  It is not there.  Period.  Absence equals non-existence.  When something is described as absent, there is absolutely no implication that it "should" be present.


In the phrase "lack of belief," by contrast, the pejorative connotation is plain and unarguable.  A lack is deficiency--by definition.  Therefore, one who lacks a belief in gods is missing something that is ostensibly needed.  That's why the definition is flawed; it reflects an obvious bias.

Comment by RockyTIJ on January 19, 2011 at 7:35pm

Personally, I don't see a lot of improvement with "absence of" over "lack". Both imply something that "should" be there but that's missing. 


What's wrong with simply, "an atheist is one who does not believe in a god or gods"?

Comment by Don on January 19, 2011 at 6:01pm

Fred writes, "Take the definition of being an atheist.  What is it now.  All in Chorus.  Atheist: a person that lacks belief in gods or a God."


This common definition is NOT a definition that any atheist should accept.  


Please let me take this opportunity to point out here that it's a mistake for us (or anyone) to define atheism as a "lack of belief in gods."  Why?  Because that is the theists' definition of the word.  Many dictionaries offer this definition--but dictionaries are largely written by theists who fail to recognize their implicit bias. 


The word "lack" carries the connotation of deficiency, the sense that what is lacking is something to be desired. By definition, to lack something is to be in need of whatever one lacks.  Atheists know that belief in god is nothing to be desired.   We don't lack theistic belief; instead, we simply do not have it. 


The better and more accurate definition is: "the absence of [belief in] gods." It's from the Greek; "a" meaning "not" or "without," and "theism" meaning [belief in] gods.


As George Smith has written:


"Atheism, therefore, is the absence of theistic belief. One who does not believe in the existence of a god or supernatural being is properly designated as an atheist.  Atheism is sometimes defined as 'the belief that there is no God of any kind,' or the claim that a god cannot exist. While these are categories of atheism, they do not exhaust the meaning of atheism--and are somewhat misleading with respect to the basic nature of atheism. Atheism, in its basic form, is not a belief: it is the absence of belief. An atheist is not primarily a person who believes that a god does not exist, rather he does not believe in the existence of a god."


Atheism: The Case Against God (Buffalo, NY: Prometheus Books, 1989)
Comment by Don on January 19, 2011 at 9:33am

Lee comments: "The intelligent design crowd holds that all ordered systems must be the product of design, which is obviously false. Robin Hanson is making the same error in the opposite direction: he’s claiming that even systems that weren’t designed by humans can be treated as “designed” by evolution. I think this claim is equally fallacious, for roughly the same reason."


He's right.  The brain cannot have been "designed," because to design something is to engineer it purposefully with a plan already in mind.

Comment by Messenger on January 10, 2011 at 2:31am
Im sorry you feel that way. Forgive me if Im wrong but the technological ideas which the Venus project consists of has a lot to do with science. The Zeitgeist is the only the political arm. If you do not agree thats fine however, the idea of a self-sufficient cybernated city which is ran by an economy based on resource distribution requires scientific input. Or am I way off? I dont mean to sound arrogant. Let me know what you think.
Comment by Messenger on January 10, 2011 at 1:16am

Im not sure if anyone here is familiar with the Zeitgeist Movement or the Venus project. Please check it out. It is very much the future we hope for. '

Comment by Jaume on January 8, 2011 at 5:29pm

I'm going to print myself a grand piano...

Comment by Doug Reardon on January 3, 2011 at 8:26pm

Beer and monogamy?  Of course, contrary to Jimmy Buffett's song, if you can't have sex, you get drunk!

Comment by Jaume on December 29, 2010 at 10:47am
Funny how the second picture is reminiscent of De Mille's The Ten Commandments.

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