Quick Arguments Against Religion


Quick Arguments Against Religion

Do you think I'm going to hell? If yes, why? Why would God condemn me to eternal torture just for not believing him in the face of a huge lack of evidence? Why did he create me with my questioning, rational mind ...

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Quick Arguments Against Religion

ALWAYS point people who use the "open mindedness" argument here to this video
Mine goes like this (assuming I'm talking to a christian): Your religion teaches that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior you will burn for eternity in hell. More or less. No matter if you are a good person, or are equally devout in another faith. The religion you have as an adult is hugely dependent on the time and place of your birth. If God chose to have you born today to a poor family in India, your chances of converting to christianity to be saved are near zero. If you were born in South America before the conquistador's came, you were not going to hear about Jesus. In essence, God chooses certain people to burn for eternity and they have no say in the matter.

Religion is like football. Everyone wants to believe their home team is special, but the fact is they only think so because they were born there.

there is no credible evidence for the existence of god. two things are generally proffered as evidence of god, scripture and the natural world (argument from perceived design).

1) scripture is mere hearsay, or as more accurately stated by thomas paine: "hearsay upon hearsay". hearsay is generally inadmissible in state and federal court because it is notoriously unreliable. if hearsay isn't reliable enough for use to adjudicate simple disputes, it certainly isn't reliable enough to prove absurd stories about a god upon which you think i should base my life.

2) the natural world provides no more evidence for the existence of your god than it does for the thousands of gods imagined throughout history, which is to say, none. our ignorance relating to precisely how this all came about doesn't justify your speculation that a wizard did it.

I like to play the morality card, e.g. what motivates you to be a good person? If the answer is religion, cue argument about people with different religions (or no religion) still being good people, thus morality does not come from religion. So, what's the point of religion then?
If they bring in heaven and hell, I counter by saying that if there is a god, I would hope that he would judge people on their actions (i.e. morality) rather than their superficial beliefs/practices.

Do you think I'm going to hell? If yes, why? Why would God condemn me to eternal torture just for not believing him in the face of a huge lack of evidence? Why did he create me with my questioning, rational mind if I was going to be punished for exercising it? If no, then there's no reason to bother believing in him anyway.

Do you believe in Zeus? Do you believe in FSM? How about unicorns or fairies? How about Xorplax, a god I just made up? Why not?... Well that's why I don't believe in your god, and why you shouldn't either.

I want to believe as many true things as possible and not believe as many things that aren't true as possible. The best way to do this I have come across is the scientific method. I require evidence to substantiate claims, and a preponderance of evidence to substantiate extraordinary claims.

Faith is a weakness. Faith is the excuse we give ourselves to believe something when there is no good reason to. Faith actively stands in the way of looking for evidence and seeking further knowledge. Instead of faith, let us use reasonable expectation based on observation, and use hope for the things we cannot control.

All religious beliefs are so far objectively unjustifiable. If you can justify yours, please do so. Personal experience is fine for you, but know that if that is your only basis for belief, you have no footing on which to convince others your religion is valid; it is entirely possible you have misinterpreted your experience, or that your senses were unwittingly impaired at the time.

These were found via Reddit. Please share your own here :]

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Comment by Morgan Matthew on September 7, 2009 at 1:23am
Comment by Morgan Matthew on September 7, 2009 at 12:57am
Some people feel better about themselves by demonizing others. Those people who are truly interested in morals begin by looking for immorality within themselves, not others.
Comment by Morgan Matthew on August 31, 2009 at 6:35am
Why would an omnipotent being have a plan?
Comment by Morgan Matthew on August 19, 2009 at 5:32am

Comment by Morgan Matthew on August 19, 2009 at 2:22am
Another Quick add :]

A argument suggests some kind of dialogue. So, rather then going in with a pre-planned shpiel with the intention of convincing the other that their religion is nonsense (Have they ever listened anyway? Seriously?), I listen, absorb what they say, respond.

The word 'argument' suggests an exchange, but it seems to me that you're really only interested in preaching.
Comment by Morgan Matthew on August 19, 2009 at 2:15am
A quick one I found that I think is good.

When somebody tells me that they believe in a god, I first ask them "Which one?" That throws quite a lot of them. It's almost as though many of them had never considered the fact that there are actually several different gods that people believe in. When they answer, I simply ask "Why?" and then argue against whatever they answer with if I disagree with it, or probe further if I deem necessary. It's quite telling actually how many people are unable to even begin answering that simple question.

The most common answer I usually get is "I don't know. I just do." At that point, all I can really tell them is "Well, have a think about it". As somebody once said: "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." The other common answer, although this one has to be dragged out of them usually, is that they were simply brought up to believe it, in which case your argument works very well.
Comment by Kat Sullivan on August 18, 2009 at 10:19pm
wow, michel poisson, your 4 points against religion are excellent. i couldn't agree more. i'm saving this link so i can come back to your 4 points again in the future to refer others to. thanks.
Comment by Morgan Matthew on August 18, 2009 at 9:28pm
I think the best tactic is to get them thinking about why it is obvious to them that other religions are false. The Stephen F. Roberts quote is good for that:

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Comment by Kat Sullivan on August 16, 2009 at 1:30pm
well said. i'd also add to the list:

one needs to analyze the world around him with a variety of types of sciences and then objectively make a deduction about the world based on the actual evidence that is verifiable, and falsifiable. this is the only way one can know something for sure. all of these subjects ought to be considered when analyzing the big questions about life, the universe and everything"...anthropology, paleoanthropolgoy, biology, evolutionary biology, evolution, evolution by natural selection, geology, psychology, neurology, astronomy, physics, history of Christianity, history of the bible etc.
Comment by Nivek on August 16, 2009 at 10:32am
Not only would he be condemning you, he would be condemning most of the world. Christians have never been the majority in the world.

Why would a loving, omnipotent, omniscient being create flawed mortal beings, then desire their eternal praise? Is he not capable of creating beings to better praise him? Why would he even care about such petty desires as praise?

When I’ve pitched that to Christians, they usually begin a conversation about free will and original sin. Actually, most just say that they will pray for me.

So then it’s on to sin and prayer.

Why does God answer prayer or forgive sin? Well who wouldn’t forgive a slight indiscretion, when he’s culpable in the sin and the individual’s desire? If he is, what they claim him to be, then he’s guilty. He’s guilty of it all!

All praise for the wonders of the universe, but he’s guilty, at least as an accomplice or conspirator, for every death, murder, abortion, war, torture, rape, genocide, abuse, deformity, malice, pain, suffering, and dare I say, sin for all of eternity.

Maybe that’s why he needs our praise. He’s done such a bad job of it all, that he just wants a few flawed mortal beings to tell him it’s OK.

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