There are individual small political actions within a religious system, ... then there is the ultimate political action, removing religion from public life entirely. Maybe it's because I have a francophone background and the French Revolution was an important part of my history classes, but I found this wikipidia page very interesting... Understandably, death I don't think is an option in this particular era, but I would certainly consider some form of public punishment in lieu of... France to this day, well until recently anyway, remains one of the most secular countries of the world, and the actions effected during the revolution allowed for the spread of Laïcité around to many other countries...
Myself, I am not interested in small corrections within a corrupt and ugly system, I am interested in a major overhaul. Maybe dechristianisation/dereligionfication is too vast a topic for just one discussion thread, but it's a start.
Let this be a thread to discuss all manners of removal of religion, in it's entirety, from any level of public life. I would like this discussion to not get sidetracked by people who disagree with the concept entirely, but to focus on various actions and methodologies necessary to achieve such an end.
Read full article here.
The Dechristianisation of France during the French Revolution is a conventional description of the results of a number of separate policies, conducted by various governments of France between the start
of the French Revolution in 1789 and the Concordat of 1801, forming the basis of the later and less radical Laïcité movement. The goal of the campaign was the destruction of Catholic religious practice and of the religion itself.
The climax was reached with the celebration of the Goddess "Reason" in Notre Dame Cathedral on 10 November 1793.
How much of that went on in Canada?
"Canada" never did "dechristianise". English Canada is at its roots a British royalist religious country, with not a shred of separation of church and state in our constitution.
Québec did however grow though a significant amount of dechristianisation, following the "Quiet Revolution". Up until that point, religious/British Canada had Québecers completely under its thumb. Our quiet revolution lead to a strengthened separatist movement, very much grounded in a sentiment of anti-royalism, financial autonomy, bioregionalism, collaboration with First Nations, and a very healthy kick up the butt to all things religious. This state of secularism in Québec lasted right through the years the PQ (the most educated intellectual politicians you could ever find) had the political reigns.
Unfortunately, in the last 15 years, Québec has experienced a quite severe shift to the right, breeding/natality policies, the rise of "spirituality" and mosques and sinagogues.... (Catholicism I don't think will ever recover... but that doesn't matter because with the numbers of immigrants pouring into all of Canada, secular Québecers are losing more and more ground every day), thugs pretending to be politicians/economists, getting back in-line with ROC (English Canada) and the USA. Those years where Québec was taking a different intellectual path than the rest of North America were the best years in Québec's history.
People MUST put their pockets where their mouths are, instead of putting their mouths where their pockets are :)
I need to learn more about that. I've read some stuff about the indoctrination of Indians in the British side of Canada and how indigenous children were separated from their parents and placed in religious schools. My understanding is the French were kinder to the 'Indian' population. In the U.S. that story hasn't been told.
The Australian movie Rabbit Proof Fence gives a fairly good sense of what it felt like for First Nation peoples to be removed from their families to be placed in the religious institutions of religious miscreants. Some indigenous peoples living in Québec did end up going to "residential schools" but those were generally run in English, by the Government of Canada, specifically geared for the more Northern tribes, the Cree around James Bay, and Nunavik's (not Nunavut) Cree and Innu. These people were sent mostly to residential schools in Ontario. Per capita (during those years Québec was over 1/4 of Canada's population), Québec by far had the least residential schools and for some reason the "kidnappings" were less thorough. Most of the Montagnais and Mig'mah were spared the horrors of residential schools. Nevertheless, they have been heavily christianised. During colonial times, Southern Québec's tribes split their allegiances between the English (Iroquois) and the French (Mig'mah) and participated in many battles which later determined the political boundaries of today's North America. Both factions were weighed upon heavily by the religious forces of colonialism.
Canada has a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, but it has nothing of South Africa's "presence". The post Apartheid Commission occupied a large sphere of political activity which got nearly daily attention from media all over the country. Canada's Commission is a bit of lip service in my eye. Lots of testimonials, an "official apology" from the government of Canada in 2008. The Commission should be finished next year. There has been incredible costs for our cultural genocide... for which we as a society will continue to pay for a couple more generations.
I liked how the Rabbit Proof Fence was told.
I'll look at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
Thanks for the recommendations.
Wasn't a lawsuit recently won for taking indigenous children away from their parents in attempt to christianize them?
?? not aware.
By recently i meant within the last ten years.