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Libertarian/Conservative Atheists


Libertarian/Conservative Atheists

A group for non-believers who also reject the dogma of the political left. We are not hostile to the Judeo-Christian traditions of this country but merely apply rationalism to our (non) belief systems.

Members: 31
Latest Activity: Apr 23, 2017

Discussion Forum

Self-Ownership as an Atheist Moral Philosophy

Started by RJ Sep 26, 2012. 0 Replies

Hey guys and gals,Very often we get called amoral because of our lack of faith.  I personally don't think I'm amoral.  I also highly doubt that any of you are amoral.  Because of how often I'm…Continue

libertarian/conservative books

Started by Jessi. Last reply by RJ Mar 26, 2012. 2 Replies

I very recently read books by Charles Murray and Ron Paul and really loved them, but also found them to be a little too elementary. Anyone have any more suggestions?Continue

Hitler Finds Out CBS is reporting on Operation Fast & Furious

Started by Ed Oct 12, 2011. 0 Replies

Pretty funny stuff no matter your political persuasion:

Humanism's Unfounded Left-Liberal Bias - by Michael Lind

Started by xntubes Sep 7, 2011. 0 Replies

A good article for atheists who are not thrilled with the left-liberal bias in humanist organisations today.…Continue

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Comment by Scott Howard on March 29, 2012 at 11:19am
I agree that almost everything the Feds are involved in violates the constitution, but with so many people apathetic about it, what's a libertarian to do?
Comment by SteveInCO on March 28, 2012 at 8:27pm

I think the health care bill is totally unconstitutional.  But if the Supremes struck it down for the reasons I would cite, they'd have to strike down almost everything else the government does today.

It's going to in fact hang on the individual mandate... and whether they will decide, if they think the mandate is unconstitutional, to sever it from the rest of the bill in spite of there being no severability clause.

Comment by Scott Howard on March 28, 2012 at 7:37pm
I am glad to find this group.

What is your opinion of the Health Care Reform case before the Supreme court?
Comment by Michael on March 26, 2012 at 1:53am

Like the other Libertarians here, I have reservations about being in the same group as Conservatives. I'm sure there are so few of either here, though, as with most atheist organizations, that combining them was motivated by that. I haven't in fact seen any commenters identifying as Conservatives below. Anyway, glad to see this group exists. 

Comment by Danny Sanchez on October 26, 2011 at 7:15pm

I agree with Beth.  

libertarian |ˌlibərˈte(ə)rēən|


1 an adherent of libertarianism: [ as modifier ] : libertarian philosophy.

• a person who advocates civil liberty.

2 Philosophy a person who believes in the doctrine of free will.


Although as Libertarians we are considered economically conservative we are clearly socially liberal. Conservatives would have you give up your civil liberties because they feel they should impose their personal extreme morals and because they in my opinion falsely believe they can make us safer. I think almost all libertarians believe that we should have the right to do whatever we please so long as we do not infringe on others rights. Or as one of my favorite Libertarians Penn Jillet would say "stupid people should be allowed to do stupid things".

Comment by Beth on September 9, 2011 at 4:51pm

Like others I would like to know why this Libertarian group also has conservatives, since much of what a libertarian believes can be live and let live.

Like legalizing drugs, not getting into consenting adults sex lives which would cover abortion to some extent,getting back to  actually making sure our schools educated children on math, science etc and not the vast PC stuff that arises every year.  Not bailing out banks and big business.And  not invading other countries to start a war

Comment by Mike G on May 27, 2011 at 11:25am

Hi Flower,

Libertarians, like most groups, do not agree on everything.  There are some who are strict constitutionalists, there are some that are not, and there are some who prefer the Articles of Confederation and consider the Constitution invalid. There are not too many of the last group.  Most libertarians are against a national health care system because it is 1) not constitutional; and 2) a huge expansion of the state.  I imagine most atheists favor a nationalized health care system because most atheists are somewhere on the left politically.

The idea of a nationalized health care system might sound wonderful, however if you look at the health care systems of Canada and the UK as well as the VA you get a good idea of what it would look like in reality.   

Obviously the Constitution could be amended to allow for nationalized health care.  In its current incarnation it is resting primarily on the interstate commerce clause of the Constitution, and while I’m no constitutional scholar, I find that a pretty weak justification and thus far the Courts have agreed.  So, it might me semantics, but the current healthcare plan drastically increases the reach of the federal government through the interstate commerce clause. 

There is really no way to know how health care would be affected by the proposed changes, a “Third-World” healthcare system might be a bit of a stretch, but then again it may not be.  The current system works pretty while, except for those people who need and don’t have health insurance.  That’s an issue that needs to be addressed, and frankly I don’t know the answer.

I hope I’ve somewhat answered your question.

Comment by Mike G on May 27, 2011 at 10:06am
I reject the dogma of the political left and right, that's what makes me a libertarian.  I don't know why we continually get lumped with conservatives.
Comment by Adam Childress on September 26, 2010 at 5:39pm
Is it me or are most of the "tea party candidates" more Mitt Romney than Ron Paul....very disappointed. Vote Libertarian not the regular republicans in tea party clothing.
Comment by RD Lawson on September 21, 2010 at 7:16pm
Libertarian here

...and why the hell do we always have to be grouped with conservatives?! grrr

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