I want to hear which you think is better, real reasons please. Not just, well I think Mac is stupid and for hipsters..or Aw PCs are for poor people..or crap like that. Thank you :)

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Another possibility is that we Mac users are so pleased with what we have, that we want to shout it from the rooftops, eliminating shutting "the fuck up" as an optiion --

errmmm, why would they go on about it if the user-experience was not infinitely better. I use both and there is simply no comparison.

This is from the OurBedOfNails.com blog. It covers the Apple product line in general so it gets into Android as well, since Apple's main competitor in the cell phone world is Google.

Apple Creaks Along Into Its Late Middle Age

If you had asked anyone even just a decade ago if Apple Computers would become the richest corporation in history, you’d have received a huge round of guffaws from a skeptical financial community. Overthrow the likes of Exxon? You need to get your head examined.

But then Steve Jobs got busy and along came items like the iPod, iPhone, and iPad, and of course their anchor product, the MacBook laptop computer. Their interfaces are well-known for their ease of use, which might be described as “so easy, a caveman can use it.” Apple users have actually been encouraged to be proud of NOT knowing how a computer works on the inside. As a long-time Windows user, I know a bit about the hardware and softwRE architecture of my computers. Were I an Apple user, I’d be happily ignorant of things like drivers, DLL’s,

Apple users have smugly asserted that their computers are immune to viruses and malware. That’s only true to a degree, and mostly because the Apple user has tended to be a small target, a relatively poor student or a small business. For every Mac, it’s been estimated there are around seven PC’s out there. If you’re shooting critters against the side of a barn, it’s much easier to hit a fox than a rat. Relatively speaking, Mac’s simply haven’t been worth the effort of the bad guys.

There has been a belief propagated by Apple users that Apple hardware is better and more reliable than that of its PC rivals, but that simply isn’t true. Apple computers are made in the same Chinese factories making HP, Dell, and other PC’s. Apples arrive DOA and fail at much the same rate as Windows machines. Its so-called “geniuses” offering Apple support in the stores are the same sort of guys working down the street at the computer repair store. Some good, some brilliant, and some totally incompetent.

However, that is changing and now Mac users should be running anti-bad guys software, too.

If Apple only made computers, it wouldn’t be the success it is. Steve Jobs steered Apple in totally new directions with its non-computer products, especially the iPhone at first, but then the iPad.

Speaking of software, while we talk in terms of Mac’s, iPods, iPhones, and iPads, it’s really the software which has made Apple the success it is. As I said, the hardware is rather pedestrian and not all that different from what you can get in the Windows world. It has a certain consistent look to it because if there’s one area where Apple wins hands down, it’s in the consistency of their products appearance. They all look sleek and well-made, but that’s mostly just for show. Looking better doesn’t make them better.

More than anything else, it’s been the iPhone which has propelled Apple to become the richest corporation in the world. However, along comes Google with its Android phones. Suddenly, the iPhone doesn’t look like the unique world-beater it once was, and I’m not even referring to Steve Jobs’ “Your holding the phone the wrong way” defense of his phone having a poor reception problem and dropping lots of calls.

Take my phone for example, it’s an HTC EVO 4G 3D. Yes, it does take actual 3D photos and videos viewable on the phone itself. No iPhone can do that yet. Its 4.3″ display is noticeably larger than the iPhone’s 3.5″ display. The pixel density on the iPhone is technically better, but most people won’t notice the difference unless the phones are actually displaying the same image side-by-side.

Yes, Apple phones have quite a few more apps than Android phones, but many of those apps overlap each other with slight differences in features. The more desirable ones are also available for Android phones, or else there’s an equivalent or better one. Perhaps the several Siri-like programs for Android aren’t quite as good yet, but then Siri isn’t all that good, either. Entire blogs are devoted to the dumb things Siri sometimes says. And let’s face it, what can Siri tell you that you can’t find quickly and with better accuracy using software that isn’t voice-based?

Apple’s browser, Safari, is just okay. Most Apple users end up with Firefox or, embarrassingly to Apple, Google’s Chrome as their everyday browser.

And let’s not even get into the Apple Maps stumble, which forced Apple to go back to the maps application of its archrival, Google Maps. In case you don’t know what the problems were, this page should be good for some laughs.

Apple loses more market share to Android phones every day, and there are no rumors of any sort of killer advance to be offered in opposition to Android. And now we have the entry of phones and tablets running neither Apple’s OS nor Android but Windows. The Windows phones are slow to take off, but Windows is a very familiar OS, so expect Windows phones to gain market share as time goes by, if only gradually.

And speaking of Windows, it must be noted that the usual jab against Windows versions of the past, that it was buggy and crashed a lot, isn’t heard so much anymore because Microsoft has made a huge and very successful effort to provide a dependable OS. Starting with Vista, and even more so with improvements of Windows 7, it now works quite well with minimal annoyance, and what annoyances are left are usually easily swept away. Windows 8 is taking off a bit slower than Microshoped, but that is largely due to the radically different interface which takes a little time to learn to use effectively. Time will tell if Windows 8 works well enough on a small screen to penetrate the smartphone market, though.

And much the same is happening in the Android world with a plethora of tablets with advanced features being offered by a variety of competitors. You see, Android is an open system. Unlike Apple’s almost military control over its hardware, software, and apps, Android is open with Google neither approving nor disapproving of the products Android developers come up with. Each new update of the iPad so far is just an upgrade of the same basic design, whereas Android tablets offer a wide variety of options and features offering some real choices.

At one end consider the 7″ cameraless Nook HD which, along with its new big brother the HD+, has a display resolution about equal to the “Retina Display” touted on the latest iPads, but with a detuned and Nookified version of Android designed to make it a very fancy Barnes & Noble-oriented eReader with some Android features. At the far other end you have the Google Nexus 10 with front and back cameras as well as a 2560 x 1600 display resolution leaving the iPad’s 2048 x 1536 and the Nook HD+’s 1900×1280 display resolutions in the dust and at a price, $399, which makes it a far better value than the iPad. (It should be noted that the Nook HD+ has a 9″ display not the 10″ of the iPad and Nexus 10, making its resolution quite comparable.)

There is talk of an Apple watch on the horizon, with supposed (or speculated) features like seeing text messages and getting GPS-based local information on one’s wrist. Apple under Jobs was known for, as some have said, “products we didn’t know we needed until we saw them.” Frequently, those needs have been along the lines of needing to be an early adopter of new technologies, but not always. The iPhone was more than merely cool. It made many people’s lives easier and better. It remains to be seen if a high-tech wristwatch can do that. Perhaps if you can use it to make voice calls or conduct voice-directed text messaging while driving. Without something like that, it might turn into one of Apple’s many (but easily forgotten) flops.

At this time, Google is gaining ground on Apple. For a long time I went with PC’s rather than Macbooks and Android phones rather than iPhones for fear that Apple was taking over the world. Now, it’s starting to look like Google might do that instead. At least Google is an open system and doesn’t try to manage things to trap the world into using its own products—or those it approves—exclusively. Many of us view that sort of thing as belonging within our own sphere of control, not that of the device’s manufacturer.

I’m a lot more comfortable with Google than Apple, so I’m not unhappy to see Apple going into gradual decline.

On the other hand, Apple has surprised us before, but with Steve Jobs at the helm of product imagining and development. He may have left a couple projects yet to be seen in the development stage, and we may see a few of those in the next few years.

The question is, can Apple keep up with Google and Microsoft without Steve Jobs. I don’t think so.

As a counter to the gripes about the Apple map stuff, sometime between last June and today, Google maps finally quit labeling US-24 through Colorado Springs, Colorado as "US-24 in Illinois."

They are well known for showing highway designators that haven't existed in 50 years even when they do have the right state.  Just for instance "State Highway 217" hasn't existed since 1964 at the latest.

For a lot of us, while Macs are okay, it's the price problem that keeps us from being Mac users. I can go to TigerDirect.com any day of the week and find fairly nice little computers, comparable in performance to a Macbook, at 1/2 to 1/3 the price. But then Mac blindsides you with oddball connectors and devices that do the same thing as a PC equivalant at 2 to 3 times the price. Your Mac routers run $75-$265 ($265?!!!). By contrast, I'm using a perfectly good (and equivalent wireless "n") $28 Netgear router. 

It's pretty clear how Apple became (temporarily) the richest corporation in the world: a stupid user base consisting of early adopter spendthrifts. 

In a few years, Samsung may usurp Apple's place in the high tech personal technology world.

If I had a specific CPU feature on my current system I would have been able to boot and compare Windows 7, Windows 8, Mac OS X, and LInux. As it is I cannot add OS X to the list right now (though I'm planning a system upgrade). I already multiboot the rest. As a systems programmer who has been at this since the 1980s I find the the current Mac operating system pleasant enough, but for development work it's cost prohibitive for me to acquire the necessary hardware/software/documentation to get started at the moment. Apple simply prices themselves out of a competitive advantage. If they got rid of the monopolistic practices they would find themselves with a much larger available software/hardware base for their customers. As it is it's only their "i" products that's making them the lion's share of their profits. I have an insider that admits that Apple markets their products in a manner that promotes arrogance among the users. It appeals to people based on emotional elements rather than technical capability. 

On the other hand, Linux has a different following that follows a simple creed: "Microsoft = evil". They simply go with a belief that has grown increasingly dated and absurd. I recently found it amazing that when I tried the trial version of Windows 8 Enterprise Edition that it actually booted and was ready faster than the latest build of Ubuntu Linux! Under the hood Windows 7 and 8 are vastly different beasts with only a cosmetic layer between them when you are in desktop mode. I also found 8 to be more stable. I did get it to "blue screen", but what it displayed was more elegant and friendly (but with less helpful information). Mac OS X and Ubuntu I have both found to have a problem with system crashes - they both tend to literally freeze the computer requiring a power off/on cycle to recover. 

Linux users often tend to be younger than myself and tend to think line commands are the way to go not realizing why operating system developers dropped that interface as the primary means of system control in favor of GUIs. Why? Because of the visual nature of human thinking and memory. It also protects against typographic errors (which can be a disaster!) and having to recall a long list of obtuse (and often cryptic) command strings. Mac OS X and Windows (all versions) still retain a command line option because often software developers implement command line only settings for their products (probably those who develop first under Linux!)


RE: "Mac OS X and Ubuntu I have both found to have a problem with system crashes - they both tend to literally freeze the computer requiring a power off/on cycle to recover."

I've used OS X since it first came out, and I have never encountered this problem.

I used to do volunteer service work at an Einstein Bros coffee shop in St. Louis that was operated by the downtown Marriott hotel. I was good friends of the store manager and I could use the machines without prior purchase and often from store open to store close. They had a couple of Macs running OS X and I would frequently use them to to play the game RuneScape - this particular Java/browser game I found could literally lock the computer up solid. And it happened quite frequently. When the cursor would no longer respond to any mouse movement,no action of the keyboard would prompt any response, and none of the windows or software that were supposed to be active were doing anything - not even the "pinwheel" cursor present to indicate that at least the computer was doing something, I'd say it was quite locked up. And it happened across both machines. This not the only software that caused such lockups either, but I'm at a loss so many years later to identify all of the culprits. I think the last version that was installed was Mountain Lion at the time. It's likely because of the Linux-type OS core it uses (and I did access the command prompt on those machines because sometimes I would do diagnostic work that way so felt often like I WAS on Linux despite Apple's claims otherwise :p )

I don't know what you are doing with your machine, but I tend to push mine to their max when I can - I'm a game and software developer and I tend make machines scream and beg for mercy. :D

Oh, I can't disagree with you at all about how hostile Microsoft has been to Linux. I had problems with first setting up my machine as multiboot. I run a (yes, increasingly antiquated) HP G56 machine and the partitioning system that came initially wonderful and flexible but Linux simply could not be installed under it without eliminating other partitions. I had to purchase another piece of software to make an in place change. I hate the replacement old-style logical/extended partition crap I had to substitute but at least Linux could see all the other partitions on the drive at last. I LOVE my GRUB 2 loader :) Hewlett-Packard talked about loss of support if Linux was installed (I was out of their warranty anyways - fuck them). I've heard the horror stories of trying to install Linux  under a OEM machine with Windows 8 pre-installed. So I'm entirely with you here. But I didn't misuse the word "creed". I've seen the same sort of fervor in the Linux diehards as I've seen with Apple. This isn't true of all such users of course, but I've seen the same degree of cliquish behavior and arrogance in both communities which have persisted despite any lack of substantial evidence.  

Of course my system is not a production server system. I still would not use Windows for such. For my home use system the boot times were actually competitive. Win8 launched from GRUB 2 and had the login screen up and ready faster than Ubuntu. But Windows 8 was optimized for devices where such rapid start up is expected and necessary. Linux still has it beat for actual login, but the margin seemed to be pretty thin. I also know personally one of the principle contractors behind the interface design of Vista, Win 7, and Win 8 and have some inside info that Microsoft has been trying to break away from the legacy issues that have tended to compromise performance and security. MS used to be pretty arrogant about that crap and the competition has been a needed kick in the ass for them. 

There is no "if I say so" issue here. My equipment meets, or even exceeds the necessary requirements to run the operating systems in question. But again, I'm running under a GUI environment which can easily become unstable. But that's also why I get frequent updates to fix those issues as soon as these issues are discovered and resolved. If an OS was bug free it wouldn't need updates :p You work in a data center which has a specific hardware and software setup to minimize downtime (thankfully!). But I also doubt you are trying to use the hardware to run an graphics intensive MMORPG which a general consumer machine might be expected to do (I also work for a game software company). But in my case crashes and freezes occurred with less intensive machine use (browsing the web, watching videos, running a local server for web development and testing, text editing with LibreOffice or similar work) so I was certainly shocked it happened at all with Linux. I believe the guilty culprit was Nautilus and I think the problems has since been resolved with later updates. f

Oops. Looks like I'm in that age bracket too. (46 this year). I use Ubuntu Linux and I'm quite familiar with its GUI. My mom also is set up to multiboot with Linux, (she's approaching her 70s) and she loves it too. But she's also completely crashed and lost data when she tried to do a update on it on her own - never recovered that data. either :'(  - but I still find myself finding people giving me instructions like "sudo blah blah blah". Would I expect a typical computer consumer to comprehend such? No. Do I personally understand and comprehend the intent of such commands? Yes, but I"m also a systems programmer meaning I've been part of the development of operating systems and at the lowest level.

And command lines are, again, appropriate in a server farm environment where you work, but you would be hard pressed to justify why a software product like Google Chrome has options that are only available as command line switches and other browsers with the same features simple have them directly available within the functioning browser and don't require the user to fire up another program (the command interpreter shell) just to manipulate them. 

My arguments were primarily focused on general consumers and not IT professionals. Personally, after over 30+ years in the industry I've found Things That Really Suck (tm) common to all modern OS. Things have improved but I still find a number of persistent annoyances that all of them are guilty of. 

My reasons for sticking with Macs are not particularly compelling for most. I work as a commercial photographer and do a heavy load of digital editing on a daily basis, and Macs have simply become the industry standard in my region. While, historically, there were some legitimate reasons for this, I'm actually not sure any of them remain valid, but that's just the way it is. There is a certain degree of convenience in keeping work and home in-line on the same operating system.

I'm a commercial photographer, too. And much as with the hardware and software others expect you to be using, I'm sure you're aware that you'd be suspect if your main camera (assuming you use a DSLR) were anything but a Nikon or Canon.

For what I do—taking thousands of photos of the same subject much of the time—I have found a program, ThumbsPlus, that does batch processing of things ranging from rotation to resizing to color correction to watermarking, eliminating a lot of labor. It does it more easily than any other software I've found and having actually had a Mac for a while (because I thought that as a photographer I had to have one), I discovered that (a) there's nothing really equivalent in the Mac world and (b) ThumbsPlus's designer (Cerius Software) tells me they will not be porting their program to Mac. Before anyone mentions it, Photoshop "actions" are much clunkier than ThumbsPlus's approach.

I use a variety of different programs when doing art. A mix of PhotoShop; Corel PhotoPaint, PhotoImpact, and Paint Shop Pro; the original JASC Paint Shop Pro; and some freeware as well. ThumbsPlus is just the best and most powerful batch processor I've found. Originally designed to make thumbnail pages (hence the name), it does a whole lot more now. 

Bought my first PC in 1986; IBM PC AT. No Microsoft Windows just PC DOS. Bought my first Mac the following year, end of 1987. It was a Macintosh SE30. Nine inch screen monochrome.

Around that time Microsoft released MS Windows. Ran out and bought it along with a really expensive digital art program called "Designer". The promise of gui based PC's was great but the actual product left me wanting. Windows was very slow, even for the most basic art based files and prone to crashing.

The little Mac ran circles around any 80x86 based intel PC out there in that time period. I did desktop publishing with Aldus Pagemaker and vector based graphics with Adobe Illustrator and despite it's black and white monitor it ran faster and printed graphics faster than it's bigger and faster competitor. Matter of fact at about the time most graphic art divisions, at the ad agency I worked at turned to the little monochrome Mac exclusively.

I've stayed with what worked for me. I use to buy a new, faster, sleeker Mac about once every year and a half. Which correlated with improvements in graphic and design software. When my kids were in their fives and six's I bought software for them and it was a whole lot easier on a Mac, to show them how to use a computer, than it was on my, then, 80386 IBM PS2 Model 70. At the time Mac's were more intuitive.

Today I still use Mac's. Why? It's what works for me. Have nothing against PC's and I still have one despite the fact that I rarely use it. Purchased it for my son, for college, and he uses it to play video games. He uses his Macbook Pro for school. Kids!


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