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Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on January 1, 2013 at 1:45pm

IMO, the US needs to sit down with Pakistan, and arrange for the US, combined with Pakistani forces, to go into that province, unannounced, clean it out and establish governmental garisons there to continue to maintain the peace. That request needs to be tied directly to US foreign aid to Pakistan, that should be suspended until it happens.

I'm not a militarist, I don't believe we had any valid reason to invade Korea, or Viet Nam or Iraq, but this sort of thing must be stopped, and Pakistan certainly is not going to do it.

Islamic leaders KNOW that the illiterate are their strongest supporters, and that to maintain their positions, depends on keeping as many uneducated as possible. The religion rules through fear and ignorance.

Permalink Reply by jared manley on January 1, 2013 at 2:13pm

Marvel, what would you suggest that can be done?

I like Arch's idea of boycotting. Is there anything in particular that you can think of in the west here or Atheists as a whole can do?

Permalink Reply by Logicallunatic on January 1, 2013 at 4:10pm

Islam needs an enlightenment from within. It is the only way forward.

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on January 1, 2013 at 4:37pm

But how does one do that, LL, from within a system that tolerates no opposition or confrontation?

Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on January 1, 2013 at 5:27pm

Logicallunatic - yes, it's here to stay. 

Permalink Reply by Simon Paynton on January 1, 2013 at 5:56pm

My theory is so universal that anyone can understand it and it can integrate seamlessly into the core of any major religion.  The first part is based on the evolution of all living things and the second part is based on the evolution of humans.  All it really does is make the existing moral/spiritual framework of the religions crystal clear.  Everything in it has already been said by the Prophet Mohammed, Jesus etc. so this is a huge advantage.  

Convincing people is another matter.  

There's no getting around the fact that it's Western in origin and based on evolution.  As I understand it, mainstream Islam has a tradition of venerating science, but Richard Dawkins has hardened the hearts of many Muslims against evolution, which is unfortunate.  

I think I will need to formulate a version of the arguments without invoking evolution, but that's OK.  It's satisfying for the science-heads but I hope that most people won't need to use it.  

Look at me, I'm not your average Westerner.  I don't know if this will make a difference.  I have heard that Sufis can have a hard time in some places.  

I have worked out this as a first page. 

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on January 1, 2013 at 7:25pm

Well, I believe the Power of Paul Bunyon is real and not to be dismissed. If you dismiss it, you are a fool.

Permalink Reply by jared manley on January 2, 2013 at 1:38am

 Tonight after getting off work I decided to do a little research on the topic at hand. While I'm still carefully thinking over possible solutions I thought I'd learn a bit more about islam.

 I ran across this page. It seems informative but I haven't had time to cross reference all its content. Please don't hold me accountable if this is off. Some seems legit but for the things that I am hearing about for the first time I have nothing to compare.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=962_1248556842

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on January 2, 2013 at 3:09am

Jared, I don't know what you saw there, but from all indications, including the Headline, it must have been good, however when I tried to play it, the screen stayed black and nothing played or was even visible, so I clicked on the YouTube link and got this:

"This account has been terminated due to repeated or severe violations of our Community Guidelines and/or claims of copyright infringement."

 

    Amazing how criticisms of Islam tend to disappear - sometimes I think this country takes "Political Correctness" to too great an extreme.

    If enough people get together and click the button that indicates a page is offensive, they'll take it off, regardless of whether or not the claim is justified, and I would bet that was exactly what was done.

 

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on January 2, 2013 at 3:27am

However, I would invite any interested to visit this link, which was tied in to the video (but doesn't feature it), which is also a condemnation of Islam, and begins with:

       "To those who profess the 'Religion of Islam', this site will seem offensive, untruthful, hatemongering, one sided and unfair."

http://inthenameofallah.org/

This guy is one of US!

Permalink Reply by archaeopteryx on January 2, 2013 at 3:54am

I have introduced myself to the owner and author of the website and invited him to join us. Of course this was done by email, and it's quite late at night, so we will just have to wait and see if he accepts.

Permalink Reply by Unseen on January 2, 2013 at 9:43am

Based on just a first glance, the operator of inthenameofallah.org may turn out to be a Christian apologist. We'll see.

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