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Atheist Morality

The purpose of this group is to discuss morality from all points of view: biological, evolutionary, philosophical. Specific moral questions are also encouraged: if you have a moral question for us atheists, feel free to post it here.

Website: http://www.thinkatheist.com/group/atheistmorality
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Where did morality come from?

We atheists are pretty tired of hearing that without religion, there would be no morality. It is offensive to us atheists, since this implies we cannot possibly be moral, or if we are in fact, moral, it is because we were raised in a culture in which morality was initially acquired, and still perpetuated, by religion.

 

While it is indeed possible that some people may need religion in order to be moral, this is a scary thought: their morality has not been reasoned or felt in their gut, it was ordered from above.

 

Human beings have had moral laws and codes for thousands and thousands of years before religion was ever invented, at least in an organized form.  Human beings around the globe, from many religious backgrounds, have pretty much the same basic set of rules, starting with the Golden Rule. Why? Because our moral sense comes from the evolution of our brains and the need to live as a social species, avoiding conflict and increasing cooperation.  Our moral sense is based on our emotions: it feels good to help others, and it feels bad to harm others.

 

The scientific study of human nature has naturally lead to the scientific study of human morality. A good start if you're new to this fascinating and important subject is The New Science of Morality, from Edge.org.

  

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The Video Thread
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The Moral Repository
Exercises in Moral Dilemmas


ONLINE TESTS

These are academic tests designed to probe our moral sense, moral cognition, and what drives our moral decisions and judgments. They are fun, they will tell you a lot about yourself, and you'll be helping researchers add to their current data.

YourMorals.org (Jonathan Haidt's group and collaborators)
The Moral Sense Test (Joshua Greene-Harvard University)

 

Discussion Forum

Frans de Waal's Bottom-Up Morality: We're Not Good Because Of God

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Apr 22. 26 Replies

In a book coming out next week called The Bonobo and the…Continue

Tags: morality, primates, sympathy, evolution, empathy

Why a lack of empathy is the root of all evil

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Apr 7, 2012. 8 Replies

Why a lack of empathy is the root of all evil From casual violence to genocide, acts of cruelty can be traced back to how the perpetrator identifies with other people, argues psychologist Simon…Continue

Tags: psychopathology, cruelty, violence, evil, testosterone

Violating morals! what do you think?!

Started by Hope. Last reply by Hope Nov 27, 2011. 13 Replies

A sexual revolution in the Middle East... Cool but, Islamists dont like that!Anther updates from the religion of peace! what do you think?!This time it's about a teenager atheist girl who needs to…Continue

Tags: do, you, think?!, what, morals!

Does Pinker’s “Better Angels” Undermine Religious Morality?

Started by Dallas the Phallus Nov 7, 2011. 0 Replies

Fairly decent blog post. Just copying a few select paragraphs below.…Continue

Tags: religion, morality, violence

The Moral Repository

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Dallas the Phallus Oct 25, 2011. 66 Replies

I thought it might be kind of nice to have a thread where we can just add all the great stuff that we find which may not merit its own thread.This thread can be used to add:·         Relevant…Continue

Tags: meta-ethics, glossary, reports, studies, research

Why Is There Peace?, by Stephen Pinker

Started by Dallas the Phallus Sep 19, 2011. 0 Replies

Another great essay by Stephen Pinker.   - Dallas Why Is There Peace?Over the past century, violent images from World War II concentration camps, Cambodia, Rwanda, Darfur, Iraq, and many other times…Continue

Tags: human nature, torture, homicide, violence, history

Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Richard W. Symonds Sep 13, 2011. 1 Reply

Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty How important is our brain’s empathy circuit and what happens to society when it doesn’t work properly? We’ll find out this hour with University of Cambridge…Continue

Tags: THINK, science, NPR, autism, psychopaths

Exercises in Moral Dilemmas

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Unseen Sep 7, 2011. 6 Replies

This is a thread for moral dilemmas (a part of applied ethics), feel free to post your favorite moral dilemma, real of made up, and what you would do and why. If you don't have anything to add right…Continue

Tags: applied ethics, moral dilemmas, morality, ethics

If It Feels Good to Be Good, It Might Be Only Natural

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by T A A Sep 7, 2011. 3 Replies

From 2007. Nothing really new to this group, though. I like the moral dilemma Greene poses on page two. That one has not come up here before.  - Dallas If It Feels Good to Be Good, It Might Be Only…Continue

Tags: paleocortex, right and wrong, reward system, morals, science

IF YOU WANT TO BE AN ENLIGHTENED MORAL ATHEIST, LET NOAM CHOMSKY BE YOUR INSPIRATION - NOT RICHARD DAWKINS

Started by Richard W. Symonds. Last reply by Richard W. Symonds Jul 29, 2011. 8 Replies

Noam Chomsky's atheist morality makes more sense to me than the atheist non-sense of 'Richard Dawkins & his Merrie Men'  …Continue

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Comment by Richard W. Symonds on January 20, 2011 at 11:46am
Jaume, the words "faith" & "trust" mean much the same to me - interchangeable.
Comment by Richard W. Symonds on January 20, 2011 at 11:19am
"Faith in nothing is not valid, Richard, it is just silly"

Let's take that statement from you doone, to illustrate
what I am trying to say :

You cannot know, with 100% certainty, that your statement
is correct. 

It might correspond with the truth more than someone
else's opinion - but that's all you can say. 

Comment by Jaume on January 20, 2011 at 11:17am

A dangerous illusion? I beg to disagree. 'Believing' is necessary to us, or we would waste our time trying to 'prove' everything that's been 'proven' countless times before. Generalized absolute skepticism would be much worse than relying on 'belief'.

What you missed is there are two ways to believe: faith and trust. The latter is corroborated by evidence (the more I eat omelettes, the more I believe the best way to cook one is to break some eggs first), while the former is not.

Comment by Richard W. Symonds on January 20, 2011 at 11:05am

That "epidemic of certainty" can afflict both Theists & Atheists alike - and that "feeling of knowing", to my mind, is a dangerous illusion.

 

Nobody knows anything with 100% certainty - scientists & non-scientists alike - because we are fallible human beings, with fallible brains. Cocksureness is a function of human ignorance

 

Essentially, life is a matter of faith - whatever you believe in (or don't believe In). 

Comment by Richard W. Symonds on January 20, 2011 at 10:19am
"If we can deny our own stubborn human nature, we can block out any information that contradicts what the author Tamim Ansary calls "the fruitless longing for transcendence" that drives much delusion".

I find it a constant source of fascination and amusement to read the lengths to which people will go to try & 'explain away' - in great detail - their belief (faith?) in the non-existence of a 'transcendent' reality.

There's something obsessively pathological about it - rather strange and unhealthy sometimes, it seems to me.
Comment by Richard W. Symonds on January 19, 2011 at 4:24am
Thought this might be of interest - not sure where to post it though :

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/philosophy_east_and_west/v0...
Comment by justin gold on January 17, 2011 at 12:34pm
I'm so Sorry Don,That was ment for Herk not yourself.my mistake.
Comment by justin gold on January 17, 2011 at 12:30pm
I disagree Don,Dogs are smarter than we give them credit for if they can smell cancer tumors on people and sense all sorts of other things i'm sure death would be another scent they would pick up and relate it to its owner.
Comment by Don on January 16, 2011 at 9:25pm

I have a much harder time with the death of a dog than I do with the death of a human.

When he was going over my first novel, published long, long ago, my editor made it a point to tell me he was pleased that the instigating incident to my narrator's running away from home was the killing of his loyal dog.  He said, "The undeserved death of a dog is much more compelling than the death of a person."

Comment by Herk on January 16, 2011 at 8:56pm

The dog's thinking, "surely she'll get out of there and feed me soon . . ."

 

You have to be careful anthropomorphizing animals. That said, I have a much harder time with the death of a dog than I do with the death of a human.

 

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