Atheist Morality

The purpose of this group is to discuss morality from all points of view: biological, evolutionary, philosophical. Specific moral questions are also encouraged: if you have a moral question for us atheists, feel free to post it here.

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Latest Activity: Jul 14, 2017

Where did morality come from?

We atheists are pretty tired of hearing that without religion, there would be no morality. It is offensive to us atheists, since this implies we cannot possibly be moral, or if we are in fact, moral, it is because we were raised in a culture in which morality was initially acquired, and still perpetuated, by religion.


While it is indeed possible that some people may need religion in order to be moral, this is a scary thought: their morality has not been reasoned or felt in their gut, it was ordered from above.


Human beings have had moral laws and codes for thousands and thousands of years before religion was ever invented, at least in an organized form.  Human beings around the globe, from many religious backgrounds, have pretty much the same basic set of rules, starting with the Golden Rule. Why? Because our moral sense comes from the evolution of our brains and the need to live as a social species, avoiding conflict and increasing cooperation.  Our moral sense is based on our emotions: it feels good to help others, and it feels bad to harm others.


The scientific study of human nature has naturally lead to the scientific study of human morality. A good start if you're new to this fascinating and important subject is The New Science of Morality, from


The Video Thread
The Reading List
The Moral Repository
Exercises in Moral Dilemmas


These are academic tests designed to probe our moral sense, moral cognition, and what drives our moral decisions and judgments. They are fun, they will tell you a lot about yourself, and you'll be helping researchers add to their current data. (Jonathan Haidt's group and collaborators)
The Moral Sense Test (Joshua Greene-Harvard University)


Discussion Forum

All Morality is Relative

Started by Andrew Brown. Last reply by Simon Paynton May 12, 2017. 50 Replies

Einstein proved everything is relative.Morality must also be relative, but relative to what?I argue our morality is obviously relative to Humans, thus all moral arguments we are able to judge must…Continue

Tags: peace, harm, path, nature, humans

Violating morals! what do you think?!

Started by Hope. Last reply by destitute Jan 16, 2017. 14 Replies

A sexual revolution in the Middle East... Cool but, Islamists dont like that!Anther updates from the religion of peace! what do you think?!This time it's about a teenager atheist girl who needs to…Continue

Tags: do, you, think?!, what, morals!


Started by Richard W. Symonds. Last reply by Rodrigo Paris Aug 14, 2016. 29 Replies

Noam Chomsky's atheist morality makes more sense to me than the atheist non-sense of 'Richard Dawkins & his Merrie Men'  …Continue

Atheism, evolution and morality

Started by Anthony Blair. Last reply by Unseen Jul 18, 2016. 23 Replies

According to evolution science, all life on earth started as a bunch of molecules that accidentally coalesced in a lifeless puddle of mud to form a complex little biological machine that we call a…Continue

Questions to Video Gamers

Started by T A A. Last reply by Belle Rose Jul 17, 2016. 97 Replies

Nearly all my life, video gaming has been an attractive pastime. My grandparents bought that ridiculous "ping" (probably wrong name) game for the old B/W television set in their living room and all…Continue

The Immorality of Prayers

Started by Jacob LeMaster. Last reply by C. Boyd Pfeiffer Mar 7, 2016. 11 Replies

Here is an example that was very personal to me..My grandmother was very ill due to a bad blood transfusion after giving birth to my uncle around 40 years ago..   Being in the bible belt the most…Continue

Tags: health, Prayer, Morality

no such thing as altruism?

Started by Wassabi. Last reply by Unseen Dec 22, 2015. 36 Replies

I recently read an article about altruism (not In English or I'd link), which stated there is actually no such thing.While humans do not have ability to relay tangible things to each other by means…Continue

No afterlife, no morals?

Started by John Garbutt. Last reply by Simon Paynton Dec 17, 2015. 5 Replies

Alright, so first of all I'm taking Theology & Religious Studies at university.  A lot of people find this pretty strange for an atheist, but I'm fascinated by mythology, by superstition and by…Continue

So What About Quasi Realism?

Started by Albert Bakker. Last reply by Albert Bakker Feb 24, 2011. 18 Replies

In making a first small foray into Quasi Realism, I would like first to go back here to the very basics.Lets for a moment forget about the correct chronological order and the whole network of nested…Continue

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Comment by Jaume on February 21, 2011 at 9:37am

Why should we care about Kant?


Short answer: we shouldn't, because abstract reasoning is useless. Brute force, that's what drives the world.

Or in other words: because Immanuel Kant, but Genghis Khan.

Comment by Don on February 20, 2011 at 1:44pm

Jerry Coyne (author of WHY EVOLUTION IS TRUE) is one who remains convinced that Obama is a closeted atheist, partly because of allusions to nonbelief he has made in his books and partly because, as others suggest, he would not have gotten far in politics if he had not declared himself a Christian. 

See this:

Pete Stark may be the only out atheist in Congress, but Bernie Sanders, the junior senator from my own state (the country's least religious state), Vermont, is known to be a secular humanist--though he would not invite distracting condemnation by commenting publicly on his beliefs. 

Comment by Jaume on February 16, 2011 at 10:48pm
It's not that big a concern in my neck of the woods, where secularism is a given, and politicians keep their religious feelings private - when they're religious at all. Guess I'm lucky.
Comment by Herk on February 16, 2011 at 10:31pm
That's easy. Crippling religion so that those who can think can run the world. If we have intelligent people at the helm we can't help but improve things. That means promoting atheism and secularism and stonewalling efforts like the latest bill in SD to make it legal to kill abortion doctors. How crazy is that?
Comment by Jaume on February 16, 2011 at 10:15pm

With so many members, I think time is ripe for a big poll. What is, according to you, the biggest moral challenge of our times?


I'd cast my vote to reforming the socio-economical model we chose post-WW2: consumerism; mass advertising; planned obsolescence; spending more than we own; turning oceans and third-world countries into waste dumps; and the absurd belief that a finite world is compatible with ever-increasing, infinite growth. Do we want our children to inherit a dilapidated planet?

Comment by T A A on February 1, 2011 at 5:15am
Oh how I miss my 80s OMNI subscription! so much fun :)
Comment by Jaume on January 31, 2011 at 10:39pm

Crapping or not crapping is not a moral issue.

I'm not so sure we don't subconsciously attach moral 'values' to the byproducts of our physiology. Read this short story, and then try to figure out, say, Kirk and Spock's reaction to their discovery of a new sentient species made out of fecal matter.

"They're made out of shit..."

Comment by T A A on January 31, 2011 at 6:22pm
Defecation is the author's satirical rebuttal to the 'naturalistic fallacy'.
Comment by T A A on January 30, 2011 at 8:38pm

What happens when people try to distance themselves from biological realities in the name of PC and enlightened morality:

Satire from Southland Tales:

DE: The dude hasn't taken a shit in a week.
VM: When has it even been in the Bible that you have to have a bowel movement? It's not written anywhere.
DE: It's not written in the Bible, but some things is written, like, in mother nature. All of the animals shit. Cows shit, llamas shit.
VM: Do they like it? Do they want it? If they had a voice would they, would they rather not?
DE: I think they feel better after they take a shit. I think they do like it. My answer is yes.
VM: My answer is no!

Comment by Morgan Matthew on January 26, 2011 at 10:08am
I double featured the group :]

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