This whole Operation Rescue thing done by Rachel Maddow, in addition to the Justifiable Homicide in South Dakota for killing people that would do harm to a fetus aka Abortion Doctors... it's really been making me think.
We deem it okay to target Islamist clerics who use their speech to put death threats on people for "defacing their religion", but in the United States there has been no prosecution of Christians in this country for doing pretty much the same actions: Using fear of physical harm or death to get their way.
Is it moral for a person (believer or non-believer) to initiate the use of preventive force against a person who is using threats of violence or force to gain power?
When does this use of force become sanctioned? After example of violence in the past being linked to their speech? After significant danger is reported because of their speech? Or is it never sanctioned outside of law?
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Read 'digestive tract' here.
You don't have to read it all if you don't want to, but I will try and copy and paste it. You can get some views from some of the idiots out there. Here is the wall post and the debate. It has 2 Pro-Choice views and 3 Pro-Lifers:
How is this a consideration? People agree that a dr. should be killed for removal of a fetus! Why is it when it's a fertilized human egg, it's a "baby with rights" but when it's a fertilized chicken egg, it's an omelet?! (paraphrasing Georgle Carlin of course) This isn't about pro-life/pro-choice, it's the GOP trying to convey the idea that one "wrong" turn deserves another.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/15/south-dakota-abortion-bill...
---Here is where the christians start posting----
Chris Vaughn: YOU SAID IN UR BIO THAT YOU LOVE LIFE. DOES THAT CHILD NOT HAVE THE RITE TO LOVE LIFE Thursday at 2:35am ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: I'm not having a pro/life pro/choice argument with anyone on here. My argument is the bill that is up for consideration. It gives people the right to KILL a dr. if he is going to perform a requested abortion. Does that Dr. deserve the right to live? Thursday at 2:37am ·
Chris Vaughn: OK I KNOW I WILL NOT CHANGE UR MIND JUST LIKE YOU WONT CHANGE MINE WE WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. BUT IF HE MURDERS THAN NO HE HE DONT. JUST MY OPIN. Thursday at 2:41am ·
Becky Campbell Nalley Glad you can agree to disagree. I respect your opinion but I don't think that a man's opinion is any concern to a woman's body. No offense :) Thursday at 2:43am ·
Chris Vaughn: LOL BUT AT THAT POINT ITS NOT JUST HER BODY ANYMORE. OK IM DONE. Thursday at 2:46am ·
Chris Vaughn: AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THE EGGS YOU EAT ARE NOT FERTILIZED Thursday at 2:52am ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: Yes, some of them most certainly are. Female birds will lay eggs even when there is no male bird around. The egg contains all of the ingrediants needed to make a chick, except it will never become a chick if it is unfertile. The egg is made up of the yolk, which is the food supply intended for the developing chick, and the white (or albumen) which is the water supply. If there is a male chicken in the same pen as the females, he will mate with them. The females store his sperm inside their bodies and use it to fertilise the yolks. Then the albumen and shell are made around the fertile egg yolk. Then the egg is laid, and the chick exists as a minute group of cells attatched to the egg yolk by an umbilical cord. Gradually the chick grows inside the shell and as it does it absorbs the yolk and the white. Therefore, some eggs they lay are fertile. If a male is not around, the eggs are not fertile. Humans consume both. Thursday at 2:56am ·
Chris Vaughn: LOL OK GOODNITE Thursday at 3:01am ·
David Floyd: It is always better to kill some sleazy person that is trying to kill your baby, than it is to kill a poor defenseless baby in a horrific way before it even has the chance to see the light of day. Life is about choice and consequences. You make your choice and you live with the consequences. Trying to take away consequences just adds to the moral decay of society where actions have little meaning, and we feel we are entitled to things that we have never even earned. Friday at 4:48pm
Becky Campbell Nalley: Actually David, it is never better to kill anyone, especially not an educated professional that is only doing his job. Let's say a child is raped by her step-dad, the child and her mother wish to abort, but you think the doctor should die i...nstead of an undeveloped fetus. That is such a contradiction. And why would you think that it is a "horrific way"? Do you know anything about this subject? And it is so funny to me that everyone that has had an opinion has been male. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT PUTTING YOUR NOSE INTO SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT CONCERN YOU. Walk a mile in a raped childs shoes. I dare you. Or try being 15 and pregant, your parents abandon you, the "father" runs away, you have no money, no where to live, and you are scared. Your future is ruined, the future for the child will be horrible, and and you already suffer from severe health complications that will heighten (possibly kill you) if you proceed with a pregnancy. You should really reconsider your position on this. Or better yet, leave the decision to the person that this situation will directly affect. If you are not pro-choice, don't have an abortion, but DO NOT try and take away the right from someone else that you don't even know anything about. And if you have the mentality that someone should die because they disagree with you, YOU should be removed from the streets. There is no reason a SANE adult would justify a murder solely on a medical procedure. If you can agree with something as malicious as that, there is no telling what you are capable of. People that are as vengeful as you all are claiming to be disgusts me. If someone disagrees with you, fine. But why kill them when what they are doing is legal in 50 states. And if the bill passes, it will still be legal in 49. Yesterday at 2:03am ·
Michael Chappell: An ADULT member of the human race and society that KILLS an INNOCENT unborn baby is a murderer. Its simple. I don't care what the women's Lib fanatics,or the Roe vs Wade decision was ...it's simply murder ! The fact that abortion is legal in any state is a slap in the face and a thought that is , and always will be a division among Americans and others throughout the world.
Michael Chappell: Quite honestly when a woman starts talking about "her body" in the context of arguing abortion, it makes me sick ! Maybe that woman should have put some birth control into that body or had enough self control in the first place ! Then an in...nocent baby wouldn't be paying the price for it. I'm going to leave this subject now. But regardless of what anyone thinks ,It is my beleif that one day everyone will give an account of their actions ! Whether they are the ones who had abortions , performed abortions, or just the left wing "feel good crowd" who support it. I truly beleive that all will have the exact same blood on their hands 22 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: Doesn't every sperm deserve to live? lol 22 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: @Mikey, haha it's ridiculous right? I guess all ejaculations deserve a name. Birth control kills the baby before the abortion can :P 22 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: I bet some of these people have dead babies all over their nudie mags. LMAO! 22 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Making jokes of this subject is unacceptable ! Roe vs Wade is one law that closed the seperation between mankind and apes ! It's barbaric ! The left wing liberals of this world make me sick ! And Becky that ejaculation deserves a name joke... you cracked just shows the immaturity ! You people are part of the scourge and armpit of our society ! 22 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: That was a little brutal buddy, I bet you wouldn't say that to someone's face 22 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Make a bet ?!?! 22 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: are you threatening me? 22 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: In case you forgot ...you made the comment . Ared you Mike Fincannon's son by chance ? 22 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: yes I am 22 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Well , I can't imagine that you were raised to be cracking dead baby jokes on here ! 22 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: I was raised pretty good 22 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Show it ! 22 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: I'm not supporting the death of a well educated doctor over a teenagers life changing mistake 22 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: Actually, what is barbaric is your outlook. It shows how extreme you pro-lifers are. And you believe in supoorting this country and the freedoms we have unless, of course, the freedoms disagree with you. Then you aparently think someone deserves death. That is pure ignorance and people like YOU make ME sick. And the immaturity that you are displaying by saying "you wanna bet" and threatening my brother is the only immaturity that I see on this page. Perhaps you should refrain from posting anymore hatred on my page until you can keep up intellectually. 22 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Why not? You're supporting the stupid teenagers choice to kill a baby ! 22 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley :Not a baby. A fetus. BIG DIFFERENCE 22 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: FETUS ?!?! Give me a friggin break!!! 21 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: Do you remember what is what like in your mom's womb? No, but the doctor actually has a life, therefore it's very twisted to kill him instead of something that has no memories or feelings whatsoever 21 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: You want to kill a person. Abortion clinics legally terminate a fetus. You are the murderer. 21 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: If you sick people support the act of abortion, you are as guilty as the doctor. And Mikey you may want to read what you just posted again ! Your sick comparisons are disturbing ! 21 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: I think you need to stop drinking or whatever it is you're doing. If you just stop and honestly put effort into thinking about this subject then maybe you'll get somewhere. 21 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: I agree that you should re-think this. Michael I am not trying to argue, but it is extremely irrational to just say "kill the killer". What lesson does that teach society? 21 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: I know where I am Mikey !!!!! And I am not drinking. The cruel abandonment of the difference between right and wrong, and the ability of our hideous government to give life to the ideals of death that sick people like you have is ...amazing ! Reading this thread is not unlike a horror movie ! I hope the people who beleive this have a change of heart someday ! You will answer for it . 21 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: It is a shame that you can't have this conversation with an open, civil mind. You resort to name calling and labeling "sick" "hideous" "barbaric". That is really not a surprise coming from a right wing though. Are you going to be the one to make me "answer for it". There is nothing to answer to and these doctors are doing nothing wrong. 21 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: And might I add, our parents deserve praise for raising us the way that they have. They have not sheltered us and we have been able to form very intelligent and heavily weighed opinions on subjects such as this. Many people aren't so fortunate. They see things exactly how their parents see it and think no further into it. Then they will blindly defend it because they were raised to think that way. It is sad. I feel sorry for people that can't think for themselves, but that is a whole different subject. All I am saying is, you have no idea how we were raised, so why even think you might have an idea about it? 21 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Mikey....you are a sick. I am a conservative, true . But I'm not right wing or Republican. I'm American ! My beleif is based on right and wrong . This country was founded on principles based on God . The forefathers based everything done on ...those principles. It is in no way OK to sleep around and kill the result out of conveinience ! What's even worse is to see something like this , where sick people gather and make jokes about dead babies , and the justification is given to them by a government act that is wrong. 21 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: You keep calling us sick, but we don't wanna kill anyone, you do. 21 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Look BOY ! I've already told you that I dont think anyone should have the right to take someone's life ! YOU SICKOS rae the ones talking about killing babies ! What if your mom and dad had supported abortion ? HUH ! 21 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: Michael, many of our founding fathers were secular. Only some were christian and some believed in deities other than the christian god. Some believed in no god at all. Your point is irrelevant though. 21 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: THEY DO SUPPORT IT 21 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: They really do 21 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Becky, Changing the truth to match your opinions are BS ! Our founding fathers came to this country as protestant Christians ! They founded our laws based on Godly principle. Maybe more liberals should read the Constitution ! And Mikey If your dad supports abortion, I'm disapointed. I gave him more credit than just being another sick murderer ! I'm done here ! You people make me sick ! Time for a shower ! 21 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: I can give you direct quotes from secular and non-christian founding fathers. But that is neither here nor there and I don't feel like getting into this. And how do you know our parents? You are distantly related to mom but you don't know her. And I am sure that you don't want @Michael Fincannon to read the thread you just wrote, now do you? My parents will be very upset with you. TISK TISK 21 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: Becky , Mikey get help . 21 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: I am most proud to be as distantly related to mostChappels as possible. TRASH 21 hours ago
Mikey Fincannon: Your last name is Chappell 21 hours ago ·
Michael Chappell: And you look like a failed abortion. Your point ? 21 hours ago ·
Mikey Fincannon: Me? 21 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: you are such an ass. What typical behavior from someone with the intellectual capacity of a golf ball. Idiot. 21 hours ago ·
Becky Campbell Nalley: And when you use words such as "trash" and insult someone's appearance, it only reiterates the fact that you lack intelligence and creativity. Maybe try to expand your vocabulary. 21 hours ago ·
Joyce Fincannon: My children are smart. I am very proud of them and their decisions they make. They don't even need to talk to hateful people. Becky and Mikey stay away from someone that talks like that. They are not stable and could be dangerous. I LOVE YOU BOTH.
It is awful that these people resort to violence so easily. Maybe I will just taze him and spray him with mace :D
All of this is still on my Facebook if anyone wants to go at it with these idiots. It doesn't bother me at all. I added about 10 Atheist Nexus friends on there about a yr. ago because there were a ton of my RL christian friends and family attacking me all at once. I needed some help and my Nexus friends came through. The christians hardly ever bother me anymore.