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Atheist Morality

The purpose of this group is to discuss morality from all points of view: biological, evolutionary, philosophical. Specific moral questions are also encouraged: if you have a moral question for us atheists, feel free to post it here.

Website: http://www.thinkatheist.com/group/atheistmorality
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Latest Activity: May 13

Where did morality come from?

We atheists are pretty tired of hearing that without religion, there would be no morality. It is offensive to us atheists, since this implies we cannot possibly be moral, or if we are in fact, moral, it is because we were raised in a culture in which morality was initially acquired, and still perpetuated, by religion.

 

While it is indeed possible that some people may need religion in order to be moral, this is a scary thought: their morality has not been reasoned or felt in their gut, it was ordered from above.

 

Human beings have had moral laws and codes for thousands and thousands of years before religion was ever invented, at least in an organized form.  Human beings around the globe, from many religious backgrounds, have pretty much the same basic set of rules, starting with the Golden Rule. Why? Because our moral sense comes from the evolution of our brains and the need to live as a social species, avoiding conflict and increasing cooperation.  Our moral sense is based on our emotions: it feels good to help others, and it feels bad to harm others.

 

The scientific study of human nature has naturally lead to the scientific study of human morality. A good start if you're new to this fascinating and important subject is The New Science of Morality, from Edge.org.

  

ONGOING DISCUSSIONS
The Video Thread
The Reading List
The Moral Repository
Exercises in Moral Dilemmas


ONLINE TESTS

These are academic tests designed to probe our moral sense, moral cognition, and what drives our moral decisions and judgments. They are fun, they will tell you a lot about yourself, and you'll be helping researchers add to their current data.

YourMorals.org (Jonathan Haidt's group and collaborators)
The Moral Sense Test (Joshua Greene-Harvard University)

 

Discussion Forum

Frans de Waal's Bottom-Up Morality: We're Not Good Because Of God

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Apr 22. 26 Replies

In a book coming out next week called The Bonobo and the…Continue

Tags: morality, primates, sympathy, evolution, empathy

Why a lack of empathy is the root of all evil

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Apr 7, 2012. 8 Replies

Why a lack of empathy is the root of all evil From casual violence to genocide, acts of cruelty can be traced back to how the perpetrator identifies with other people, argues psychologist Simon…Continue

Tags: psychopathology, cruelty, violence, evil, testosterone

Violating morals! what do you think?!

Started by Hope. Last reply by Hope Nov 27, 2011. 13 Replies

A sexual revolution in the Middle East... Cool but, Islamists dont like that!Anther updates from the religion of peace! what do you think?!This time it's about a teenager atheist girl who needs to…Continue

Tags: do, you, think?!, what, morals!

Does Pinker’s “Better Angels” Undermine Religious Morality?

Started by Dallas the Phallus Nov 7, 2011. 0 Replies

Fairly decent blog post. Just copying a few select paragraphs below.…Continue

Tags: religion, morality, violence

The Moral Repository

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Dallas the Phallus Oct 25, 2011. 66 Replies

I thought it might be kind of nice to have a thread where we can just add all the great stuff that we find which may not merit its own thread.This thread can be used to add:·         Relevant…Continue

Tags: meta-ethics, glossary, reports, studies, research

Why Is There Peace?, by Stephen Pinker

Started by Dallas the Phallus Sep 19, 2011. 0 Replies

Another great essay by Stephen Pinker.   - Dallas Why Is There Peace?Over the past century, violent images from World War II concentration camps, Cambodia, Rwanda, Darfur, Iraq, and many other times…Continue

Tags: human nature, torture, homicide, violence, history

Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Richard W. Symonds Sep 13, 2011. 1 Reply

Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty How important is our brain’s empathy circuit and what happens to society when it doesn’t work properly? We’ll find out this hour with University of Cambridge…Continue

Tags: THINK, science, NPR, autism, psychopaths

Exercises in Moral Dilemmas

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by Unseen Sep 7, 2011. 6 Replies

This is a thread for moral dilemmas (a part of applied ethics), feel free to post your favorite moral dilemma, real of made up, and what you would do and why. If you don't have anything to add right…Continue

Tags: applied ethics, moral dilemmas, morality, ethics

If It Feels Good to Be Good, It Might Be Only Natural

Started by Dallas the Phallus. Last reply by T A A Sep 7, 2011. 3 Replies

From 2007. Nothing really new to this group, though. I like the moral dilemma Greene poses on page two. That one has not come up here before.  - Dallas If It Feels Good to Be Good, It Might Be Only…Continue

Tags: paleocortex, right and wrong, reward system, morals, science

IF YOU WANT TO BE AN ENLIGHTENED MORAL ATHEIST, LET NOAM CHOMSKY BE YOUR INSPIRATION - NOT RICHARD DAWKINS

Started by Richard W. Symonds. Last reply by Richard W. Symonds Jul 29, 2011. 8 Replies

Noam Chomsky's atheist morality makes more sense to me than the atheist non-sense of 'Richard Dawkins & his Merrie Men'  …Continue

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Comment by Dallas the Phallus on April 7, 2012 at 7:00pm

Politics vs. Empathy

Politics makes us stupid. This is one of my recurring themes. This is the principal reason I refuse to be a partisan or ideological team player. People call me libertarian but I don't in part because I'm not one, but mostly because I suspect that accepting any such label dings my IQ about 15 points. It turns out politics not only makes us stupid. It also makes us callous. Here's the abstract of "More Than Skin Deep: Visceral States Are Not Projected Onto Dissimi..." by Ed O'Brien and Phoebe C. Ellsworth of the University of Michigan [via : healthcanal.com]

What people feel shapes their perceptions of others. In the studies reported here, we examined the assimilative influence of visceral states on social judgment. Replicating prior research, we found that participants who were outside during winter overestimated the extent to which other people were bothered by cold (Study 1), and participants who ate salty snacks without water thought other people were overly bothered by thirst (Study 2). However, in both studies, this effect evaporated when participants believed that the other people under consideration held opposing political views from their own. Participants who judged these dissimilar others were unaffected by their own strong visceral-drive states, a finding that highlights the power of dissimilarity in social judgment. Dissimilarity may thus represent a boundary condition for embodied cognition and inhibit an empathic understanding of shared out-group pain. Our findings reveal the need for a better understanding of how people’s internal experiences influence their perceptions of the feelings and experiences of those who may hold different values from their own.

Got that? We overestimate the extent to which others feel what we're feeling, unless they're on another team. [coninue]

Comment by Dallas the Phallus on October 25, 2011 at 2:01pm

Ethics Matter: A Conversation with Peter Singer

Utilitarian philosopher Peter Singer lives up to his beliefs, giving away 25-30 percent of his income to alleviate absolute poverty, and defending animal rights--or as he puts it, "extending equality beyond the species boundary." Here are his thoughts on these topics and more.

Since 1999 he has been Ira W. DeCamp Professor of Bioethics in the University Center for Human Values at Princeton University.

Listen to the podcast here.

Comment by Kris Feenstra on March 10, 2011 at 2:18pm
At least they put Hitler on the right side of the line this time.
Comment by Dallas the Phallus on March 10, 2011 at 2:07pm

If you are in need of a good laugh, please take the time to check out the entry on Morality on Conservapedia. Bwahahahahaha!

 

http://www.conservapedia.com/Morality

Comment by Don on March 4, 2011 at 10:49am
What happened?  It wasn't so long ago that many of us moved from Atheist Nexus to this site.  True, I have not spent a lot of time here, but whatever the inadequacies have proven to be, I've missed them.
Comment by T A A on March 4, 2011 at 10:43am
She is no longer a member of T|A :(
Comment by Don on March 4, 2011 at 10:05am
Adriana, can you say a little more about the reasons for moving to another site?
Comment by JD Stockman on February 26, 2011 at 5:53am

I hate just flat out plugging myself, but I have been a Christian and I have to say: it really was the moral inequities that drove me to question and then leave god. I am a 'godless bastard' now and honestly, I feel a little less uncertain of my moral fiber without god.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5979898/a_brief_account_of...

Comment by Jaume on February 25, 2011 at 8:06am
Found in the WP: "Irony of ironies: People who don't believe in evolution are the most avid advocates for Social Darwinism." - Tom Toles
Comment by Jaume on February 22, 2011 at 8:11am
Bonobos are also more talkative and introspective. I never had an interesting philosophical conversation with chimps, but about Nietzsche. You'd better not tell them they're 'sub sapiens' - they actually think they're Überaffen and would take offense.
 

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