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Permalink Reply by Hope on February 2, 2011 at 7:05pm

Thanks, good point!

good to know about that point> "the Old Testament" and the stories or the law.

Do you mean by the stories of law in the book of Ezra?

or that the people and priests entered into a covenant to keep the law and separate themselves from all other peoples.

Permalink Reply by Robert Taylor on June 16, 2011 at 9:15pm

Most individuals continue their personal family traditions without considering whether to question or focus about what is printed.  The murders, incest, wars, adultery authorized by a god in the OT and the contradictions in the so-called 'gospels' and the mistranslations of words such as 'young woman' being changed to 'virgin'.....these and much more should convince a 'thinking' individual that this is all magician-in-the-sky 'hogwash'.

Permalink Reply by Kenneth Montville D.D. on June 16, 2011 at 9:27am

It comes out of the Reformation. The reformist churches needed a singular way to read the bible because even in the 16th century people understood that you could read a text to mean anything. They generally agreed on the principle of sensus literalis, that a literal reading is the ideal way to read scripture.

Permalink Reply by Discern on June 16, 2011 at 8:20pm

Some archeologists have found evidence that indicates the Jews did indeed create their own history by writing about Moses, Abraham, etc. Whether the average jew at the time knew it was all made up, or whether they were deceived is another story though.

But many, if not a majority of practicing Jews seem to take the bible literally today. In addition, Jesus confirms two of the outrageous stories of the Old Testament, indicating that the Jews of His time took the OT literally as well:  

Matt 24:37: "But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be."

Matt 12:40: "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

 

So Jesus himself not only validates the accounts of Noah and Jonah, but acts as though they were literal events. Nothing He says indicates they were only parables or symbolism. If you're a christian and you don't take the OT stories literally, then you're at odds with Christ himself.

 

The writer of Hebrews also goes in depth in Heb. 7 rambling on about Melchizedek, whom Abraham gave some spoils of war to as a 'tithe'. The writer was trying to bring a parallel between Melchizedek and Christ. If the Abraham story was just a myth, why would the writer go to so much trouble comparing an extremely minor character in Genesis with Christ?

 

While a Jew today may have more doctrinal leeway to think that the OT is just legends, a dedicated christian would be very hard pressed and would have to perform many mental gymnastics to get around Jesus, Paul, and other NT writers' literal perception of the OT.

Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on June 16, 2011 at 8:34pm

Yes, Discern, and the messianic claim of Jesus is meaningless if one doesn't consider the covenants of Abraham, Moses, and Israel to be literal events.