Me your humble athiest:I am an athiest, I use to believe in Jesus, but that is silly because, imaginary gods aren't real.
Righteous Dude:Jesus loves you, when you say that you use to believe in Jesus, you were probably just going thru the motions, did you have a personal relationship with jesus?
Me your humble athiest:Yes, but I came to realize that my relationship was imaginary.
Righteous Dude: If you had a real personal relationship yada yada yada
Me your humble athiest:Told him my life story....reasons why I believed...how I came to realize that fear makes us create a lot of imaginary gods and monsters, and that the only real monsters are you and I, and that an imaginary god isn't going to do anything about that...etc.
Righteous Dude:I dont think you had a personal...........yada yada yada
This has been officially renamed the "no true Republican" fallacy from the claim that George W. Bush could not have raised the deficit, increased Medicare spending, et al. while at the same time being "a true Republican".
Although he did have a personal relationship with cocaine, Jesus, failure in the oil business...
Most relationships involve more than a one way discussion. A warm feeling in your tummy doesn't equate to "god's presence".
If god exists and wants a relationship with us, he wouldn't be so good at being invisible, not answering prayers, allowing bad things to happen to good people and permitting Christians to do evil things in his name.
You're exactly right. However, most Christians would argue that the reason god is invisible, doesn't answer prayers, allows bad things to happen, and permits Christian to do evil things is because he works in mysterious ways that we couldn't possibly understand. Of course, "God works in mysterious ways." is just bullshit for "I don't know".
God was testing that dude that promised to sacrifice the next living thing to exit his house if he won a war.
The next living thing was his daughter.
He burned her alive.
Who exactly won that test there? Not the daughter, me thinks........