I stumbled on this hideous but oddly fascinating website http://www.arnoldexposed.com/

and wanted some opinions on the addressed Constitutional clause.


Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution States: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

((Warning. If ANYONE starts throwing around inflammatory accusations or unfounded calls of racism, I will delete this post and all posts in it. If you can't back up your "arguments" with specific facts, then go debate in a junior high cafeteria, not a political forum. ))

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The site is just another propaganda site. I've seen these hundreds of time for just 'bout every major political figure, past & present. I wouldn't worry 'bout that.

I always assumed the 14 year deal was due to natural born citizens that had moved to foreign countries. I could be wrong.
As I learned it in 8th grade history class, the 14 year rule applied to the colonists who couldn't have been born in America, not to anyone in this century. (It was public school, though. I'd double check that.) What Rev. says makes sense, though. I wonder how long you have to spend outside your country before you can come back and then must wait 14 years to run for the presidency. 6 months? A year? Ten years?
The website is so horrible it's really funny. The Arnie-faced eagles with swastikas are so over the top they are actually hilarious. That was more of a side note and for amusement benefit only.
In the actual discussion I'm just curious as to how people feel about the fact that you can run for any office in the country except that of the presidency if you were born elsewhere in the world. Doone, you find that reasonable? Rev?
To horde the presidency to just natural born citizens is a bit outdated. I think it was put that way for reasons of the monarchy. Fear of some foreign loyalist tryin' to integrate our nation into the foreigner's native land. I don't know. That's just my opinion.

And I think the 14 year rule was for natural born citizens that took up full citizenship elsewhere, possibly dual citizenship. Whatever a waitin' period that may have been or if such a thing was done back then, I don't know.
The clause always made sense to me. The 14 years, as doone says, is probably to both ensure that, at the time, only those who were present for the Revolution could become President, thus blocking any 'ringers' who might have come over in recent years from office, and also ensuring that the President had not been an absent citizen, living abroad and only having a peripheral knowledge of the country that they were being elected to govern.

In addition to the direct election of a President, it also affects the hierarchy of transfer of power, should something happen to the President. Technically, the VP is not required to be born in the US, but if something should happen to the President, a foreign-born VP would have to be skipped over to become President, and so on down the line.
Great answers, folks!

So how does this apply to present day? Is it outdated? Is it just? Is it a great way to ensure that America stays American?
I'm pretty sure Arnie has been in the U.S for over 14 years straight. Because he wasn't born here, he still can't run for the presidency. It doesn't matter how much time he spends here, he can never run.....
That Arnie web site is ridiculous.

On the other hand, I have no problem with requiring that presidents be natural born citizens. But I'd agree that a kid born to US citizens living abroad with the US military (or other US govt agency?) should probably be considered natural born. To me though, it is really having grown up in a country that informs you.

I also don't have a problem with requiring 14 yr residency. If you've decided to live most of your life outside the US - great, more power to you. But that doesn't really give you a great background for running the place. I've got several foreign friends who've been here 10+ years and they are still definitely "getting the hang" of this place in many ways.

As long as those 14 years don't have to be immediately before you go for the job of pres, it's fine. A little worldliness would in fact be a distinct benefit for a president.
For citizenship purposes, children born abroad of US citizens on military duty, stationed at a US embassy, etc, are considered natural born citizens. For example, if my brother had been born a few months later, after Dad had been transferred from Kansas (flat!) to Panama, he'd still be eligible for President.

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