Yahweh versus Beezlebub
My mother always told me that doubt in the word of Christ was really Satan speaking to me. He was a clever bloke who was trying to subvert my faith in Jesus and God. I never thought he was quite that clever as described by my mother. After all, the Christians were on to this ruse if it was indeed true. I imagined that a truly clever trick was for Satan to pretend to be God and brain wash his followers into refusing to listen to any evidence or reason that he was not a loving, one true God. I tried to present this hypothesis to my mother who would hear none of it. She would not even let me finish explaining, which in my young mind, strengthened my belief that maybe I had it right after all. That clever devil!
With these memories in mind, I thought of a question that I would certainly like to have answered. I know many here have decent to excellent knowledge of the Bible and I was inspired by a chart showing statistics on killing and body counts for the Rambo film franchise. Here is my query to you all.
Who killed more people in the Bible? Yahweh or Satan?
I don't remember ever hearing of Satan killing anyone. His stories were always of temptation. He was trying to persuade humans to come to his side by their own volition. God murdered left and right and demanded love and obedience. It certainly seems to me now that Satan really was a benevolent deity and Yahweh was a malevolent bully.
So, are there any instances in the bible where Lucifer actually killed anyone? Like directly? No "God killed them because Satan tempted them so Satan is to blame" crap. I mean directly responsible.
I look forward to your replies.
With these memories in mind, I thought of a question that I would certainly like to have answered. I know many here have decent to excellent knowledge of the Bible and I was inspired by a chart showing statistics on killing and body counts for the Rambo film franchise. Here is my query to you all.
Who killed more people in the Bible? Yahweh or Satan?
I don't remember ever hearing of Satan killing anyone. His stories were always of temptation. He was trying to persuade humans to come to his side by their own volition. God murdered left and right and demanded love and obedience. It certainly seems to me now that Satan really was a benevolent deity and Yahweh was a malevolent bully.
So, are there any instances in the bible where Lucifer actually killed anyone? Like directly? No "God killed them because Satan tempted them so Satan is to blame" crap. I mean directly responsible.
I look forward to your replies.
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Permalink Reply by Reggie on -
I had thought that the names were all the same. I didn't realize that the bible named generals of hell and what not. Learned me something!
So it has come apparent that Lucifer was a rationalist and God threw him out for being the voice of reason.
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Permalink Reply by Reggie on
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Nice graphic! Illustrates why "we" fear the wrath of God as opposed to the wrath of Satan. Satan seems like a laid back guy it would be good to have a beer with. Hmmm....I think I am Satan! Except for the killing ten people part.
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Permalink Reply by Misty: Baytheist Living! on -
Even Satan's ten were either under the command of god.. or actually done but god himself, but with a bit more clever wording.
And actually, there isn't a lot of info in the Bible on the war in heaven. It was a work of fiction that immortalized Satan's sin of arrogance and wanting to be worshiped.
In the OT and gnostic texts, the devil character was sort of just like a jailer hired by god. It isn't until after the turn that evil becomes attributed to him instead of god's own commands, probably because people started to dislike worshiping an asshole god. With the division came a need for why there was one in the first place...so it's really rather a case of man creating god in his image. We wrote the books, made up the reasoning, and here ya go.
Sounds like a pretty weak god that lost a third of his angels to mismanagement, right?
Either way, Satan, Lucifer, the devil, Evil sorta gets a bum rap.
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Permalink Reply by Reggie on
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In the OT and gnostic texts, the devil character was sort of just like a jailer hired by god.
I've heard Hitchens claim that eternal punishment was a new fangled idea of Jesus, the lamb chop of god.
It isn't until after the turn that evil becomes attributed to him instead of god's own commands, probably because people started to dislike worshiping an asshole god.
I bet it was religious competition. Somebody said "Eff this Guy!" and started a new, friendlier religion with a nicer headmaster.
Evil sorta gets a bum rap.
Some theist will see this and think "Yep, atheists are Satan worshippers. I knew it."
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