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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 22, 2011 at 1:12am

You just reminded me that I once had rancid caribou fat while in the territories.  That was pretty vile.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on April 22, 2011 at 5:12pm

Same here, but I do have a clear knowledge of what happened to what I actually eat, which I strongly believe is preferable to the naivite of those which have never witnessed it.

Same things apply to vegeterians (any 'denomination'), send them to where their food actually comes from. Agriculture and animal husbandry are far from the pretty sights advocated by the tiny minority which perform them.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 22, 2011 at 5:17pm

Yeah, let's not forget about all those labourers who receive terrible wages for all that hard work harvesting vegetables.

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Permalink Reply by T A A on April 22, 2011 at 6:32pm

Which is part of the reason I no longer fight meat but Big Ag and Big Pharma instead.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on April 22, 2011 at 6:46pm

@Heather and T A A: I was not attacking big meat/agri/pharma/etc. I agree there are major issues regarding the regulation of these businesses, especially in the US, but I thread increadibly lightly around criticising them as there are no other system of food production, the first and foremost raison d'etre of societey, which can barely compare to it. Disruptions to the foodsystem, even ever so slight, have so massive social effects there can be no false flags. There was a product which had a scare in the US, I believe it was ruccola salad, which has never went beyond 50% of previous sales after a false food borne illness scare. We should not allow ourselves to hold strong opinions about it without absolute scientific evidence.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on April 22, 2011 at 6:58pm

Better evidence: Take the Creutzfeld-Jakob disease. It tong a damned long time, i believe it was 10-15 years, and possibly a few hundred deaths, for the scientists to sound the alarm bell. They were erroneously heavily critizied. Look what happened when the bell was rung - it was complete and utter chaos and countless billions in losses. It was also the right thing to do.

But what if they had jumped the gun and been wrong? Then all those wasted billions could have been pumped into healthcare that potentially saved thousands. Or research which did the same, or even just broadened our horizons. When the effects of being wrong are so huge vs the cost of a much smaller loss of life until evidence is irrefutable, let's wait for the conclusive scientific statement and not conjecture.

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 22, 2011 at 7:18pm

I was actually trying to offer something that I felt supported your position, although I guess it came off sounding sarcastic.

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Permalink Reply by Arcus on April 22, 2011 at 7:27pm

Then please accept my apologies for misinterpreting.

The interwebs allow poorly for the transfer of non-verbal context :/

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Permalink Reply by John Major on May 18, 2012 at 2:41pm

At last something we agree upon! I think though it would stop consumption rather than reduce it.

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Permalink Reply by Kelin420 on April 21, 2011 at 2:28am

MMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Meat- yes I would...

Better than crappy meat, skinny, "naturally" grown scranny, underfed, digging in the dirt, oil-soaked, natural chickens-

Have you ever seen chickens or other animals in poor countries??? Have you ever been on a farm, ranch or any where where food is actually grown- ever-- my relatives are ranchers and farmers- what they do is not what is on the horrible "documenatries"- most are not-

Name a food  that is not genetically modified by humans over the last 10 thousand years??????????

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Permalink Reply by Heather Spoonheim on April 21, 2011 at 2:39am

If you really really really like meat then you'll love this - otherwise you might just turn vegan:

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Permalink Reply by Walter Maki on April 21, 2011 at 11:10am

I think my arteries hardened by the end of the video :P

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