...a couple staffers had been armed?

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@ Tim

My bad I didn't recognize it. I'm used to IBAs and IOTVs.

@Blain - The sad part about this conversation.... I was supporting your argument.  Good job.

Why would we want to use a nonlethal way of stopping an active shooter? (And what are you talking about? a net?) And most of the nonlethal ways I can think of lack the immediate stopping power of killing him before he gets another shot off.

School room doors should be windowless and hardened and able to be firmly locked. That should be standard in all schools. 

A hostage takers dream!

Consider the alternative. There are always tradeoffs.

I would love to have a functional 9mm nonlethal round for my daily carry, much lower legal liability for me.

I haven't seen one yet, but it's sure a wet dream for me.  To be able to stop a perpetrator without the need for lethal force is a very sensible idea.

My dad had an interesting idea; build classroom so that there is more than one exit. Right now, all classes open up into a hallway that in a shooter incident is effectively a killzone. If there was another way out of the classroom, all those kids could be removed from harms way. Granted, this would only work in a single-shooter incident and not in a situation like Columbine, but it is an option.

Its not unfathomable that guns become computerized, fingerprint activated and transmit secure encrypted GPS coordinates and ID every time they are fired to some ATF database. In fact an unauthorized user attempt could be transmitted as well. Cartridges could be coded to only work in a particular gun. You could also limit the rounds per minute. Oh what the hell, throw a camera on there and transmit a live video on youtube so we can all see what you are shooting.

You're basically talking about the Lawgiver, the Judge's trusty weapon.


Nothing will change. It is the mentality of the American people who love their guns, and have the money and power to keep the politicians in line. They can make all the excuses 'Right to bare arms', whatever, nothing will change. Just like religion, it is all about instilling fear, and it has worked. A school can have the army ringed around it, a would be murderer, will just up the ante and set up a machine gun.

There will be massacres in theatres, schools, hospitals, whatever. Any of these establishments can have armed guards, buzzers, security cameras, all that will do, if a person wants to kill as many people as he can, he will simply be more prepared for confrontation, and still take down as many people as he can.

Nothing is going to change. That is America.

Nothing will change with people of your ilk running around.  I would be willing to bet that if everyone was required to carry a firearm that there may be a small spike in crime followed by a drastic drop case in point, how many people have been shot at a gun show?  Because when we talk about this issue, we have to bring in other situations as well now.  The would be assailant would most definitly think twice before trying to mug a family of four if he knew that both parents were carrying firearms.  Now along with this argument comes the reverse side of it, in that there are MANY people that SHOULD NOT carry firearms.  Where you draw the line is I think where this debate ought to be, not what type of weapons should be allowed or how many rounds a magazine can carry.  You are right in one respect, in that in reality, crime will always be present, as will war, famine, hate, life, death and taxes, but does that mean we should just lock everything up and hope someone takes care of us?  We are a country founded on individualism and the right to be who we are hence the whole "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, ....with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."  Mass punishments have never been the correct answer to any problem, and have a tendency to backfire (Revolution anyone?).  I for one, as a person, a father of two, would much rather everyone carry than no one carry, because as you stated, there will always be crime, and as great of a Government as we have, I am not willing to risk the lives of MY family for the erroneous actions of a few.

As for your comment about an army ringing the school, well, at least those are people WILLING to lay down their lives for the protection of others because we KNOW that type of behavior exists instead of hoping and praying that someone gets there in time (case in point Connecticut).  And FYI, I personally know several people that could do an immense more amount of damage with a pistol than some mentally derranged teen with a fully automatic machine gun.

Also with that logic, would it really matter if we took ALL of the guns away?  They would find another way to carry out their acts wouldnt they? 

Congratulations, you attempted to use accidental shootings as a parallel to the intentional shootings at a school.  And on top of that, it was 5 in three DIFFERENT locations, and NONE of them died.  you got me there buddy, congratulations.  I guess it is my fault for not being clear enough for the dim.  HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE WALKED INTO A GUN SHOW AND INTENTIONALLY WENT ON A SHOOTING SPREE TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE.  Clear anough for ya?


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