...a couple staffers had been armed?

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Gun rampages occur everywhere. Shooting ranges, parking lots, movie theaters, bedrooms, police stations, military bases, schools, moving cars......About 30 people are killed by others every day in the US. It would be higher if our trauma centers were not so skilled. They get a lot of practice.

In 2011, the latest figure available from the Centers for Disease Control,

Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222

Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011.

Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it; however, most countries similar to the United States have a more secure social network. Higher gun-related death rates can be found in developing countries and countries with political instability.[29][33][34] However, developed countries with strict gun laws have essentially eliminated gun violence.[35][36][37][38] 


WHY you might ask?

The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000. In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries, the United States ranked at No. 1.


Really, It's not rocket science. Take a stressed-out, undisciplined population, give almost everyone a gun, and people will get shot. Lots of them.

I see that about twice as many guns are used in suicide as in homicide. Those deaths are likely to simply slip into another category. People who overdose on drugs+alcohol, people who jump off bridges, people who throw themselves in front of trains, etc.

I have an idea: let's ban bridges and trains!

The stats on gun possession I've seen are all below 50%. How do you get to "almost everyone" having a gun?

An interesting statistic (and an unavailable one) is how many gun homicides would simply become homicides in another category. Beatings, stranglings, house fires, poisonings, etc. If the goal is simply to stop gun deaths and not to discuss deaths per se, what is the point?

@ Dale Headley ,

Could you add just a little more vitriol to that and maybe stomp your feet.

Also I prefer to be called a Gun Monkey as opposed to Gun Nut, I find it a bit more charming (you are tying to charm us, aren't you?).

What was the excuse for not just setting up more metal detectors and security in the schools again?

How much of a joke is that? I know you're not actually complaining about the scenery and the TSA when dead kids are the alternative.

How far behind are you? That idea was suggested and mocked a hundred times by now.

So we should set up security in all schools, libraries, cafes, restaurants, shops, bus stations, parks...... etc

Do you want full body scanners everywhere? Thanks, I'll take the infinitesimally small chance of the alternative.

I know, I think I was one of the first to bring it up. I forgot why it had been mocked. Now I remember that there was no reason. Just weak excuses.

No, you're right. What's a few dead kids as long as you have your privacy? Tired of having cameras everywhere? Here, have a couple dead kids. Afraid of a police state? Few dead kids should take care of that. Think your constitutional rights are being infringed upon? Just a small pile of dead kids will patch that right up.

Your freedoms are SO important. What was I thinking? Security is impractical! I was being completely unreasonable.

Are you truly as naive as to think that cameras would stop a suicidal shooter? My question was literal. Do you want TSA everywhere? Do you want to get strip searched and finger fucked for a coffee? To borrow a book? Do you want some double digit IQ ape go through your bags and pat you down each time you need  to catch a class? Because otherwise you cannot make anyplace airtight.

And stop using dead children as an appeal to emotion to bail out your leaky point, you disingenuous dolt. It's not going to work on me, and you sound like clergy when they talk about abortion.

"Oh you want your freedom to choose? Nevermind aaaaaall the dead babies!!!!!"

If everyone here already told you how nonsensical it sounds (and you "forgot" for some reason) it probably has a reason.

Perhaps it just needs to be "packaged" in the right way,


The War on Gun Free Zone Violators


The War on Baby Killers

or something more restrained

The School Safety Plan

However the cost of metal detectors and full time security guards is a major stumbling block to a government body more interested in it's global empire then the safety of it's own school children.

For a much lower cost and a decent chance at preventing the next school shooting, here's my suggestion;

Remove the "Gun Free Zone" signs, that has not worked.

Allow those adults who work in schools and wish to carry a firearm, to apply for a special permit to do just that.  The permit process could include qualitative and quantitative testing and training to provide the skills necessary for the purpose.  There should also be a requirement for regular live fire refresher courses to maintain those skills.

The Media could help by covering the whole process, schools would go from being "Target Rich Environments" to "Protected and Safe Learning Locations".

Children in this country deserve a safe learning environment, fear mongering about guns will not provide that, the suggestion I've just made would go a long way toward that goal.


Somehow I don't think you're done.  It's just a feeling.

@ Blaine

I am so sick of this NRA Bullshit !! All weapons have one purpose, and one purpose only to Kill period. The public does not need them.

Tell that to the Syrian people.

See...I knew you weren't done...welcome back.

The Founding Fathers (remember them) wrote the Constitution after releasing themselves from the tyranny of others, they realized that an armed populous was the best guarantee against tyranny, foreign or domestic, ergo the 2nd Amendment (gotta love those guys).

I gave you the example of Syria to show what an unarmed people must contend with when Tyranny rears it's ugly head. 

Guns have many uses, only one is to kill, another more important use is to deter others from harming you, this only works if you possess a gun.  Personally I like practicing the skill/art of shooting small groups in paper targets, this requires a lot more then just squeezing the trigger.  Others enjoy hunting, still others enjoy shooting competition, others collecting, etc.

I also practice a lot with my everyday carry weapon a Glock 26, it's main purpose is my own personal security, it can and will be used to kill if the need arises (which I hope never happens).

I have no problem with others choosing to be unarmed but they shouldn't look to me to protect them from those who would choose to harm them, they are on their own.


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