...a couple staffers had been armed?

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Comparing Canadian reported violent crimes with US reported violent crimes is an interesting exercise, but there are two considerations that would potentially skew the resulting comparison.

One is that the people in the USA who shot someone (gun crime) are still a criminal element.  There is a real possibility that without access to guns they may have carried out other violent crimes and thus appeared in the US statistic for those.

The other is that the figures for sexual assault or domestic assault are those reported; the culture surrounding, or mechanism for reporting may be completely different.  We know that many of these assaults are not reported (I could probably wiki some data if it were necessary) but we don't know how many.

I'm not refuting the result of that article, I'm just pointing out the potentially statistic-affecting other differences which we would need to make some attempt at factoring in, in order to get a more realistic view. 

So, do Canadians tend to report events as rape that would just constitute being a little forward in the U.S.?

You have a law against anal intercourse?

@Gregg - Kris was posting the law of Canada, not a set of rules for a fight. 

The laws, I believe, are the same in the UK - we have quite a lot of grey area surrounding what constitutes justifiable, as each case is different.  The purpose of the law is to allow for self-defense but eliminate retaliation.  As such, the law itself takes a very cautious attitude to killing.

@Strega - Laws aren't Rules?  When did that happen? 

Hypothetical;

Rapist to victim "Why are you struggling so much, this is only a level 1 rape, you're acting like it's a level 3, settle the fuck down or I'll beat your face in!"

Laws and Rules whether Criminal, Civil or Biblical don't change human behavior, fear of the consequences does.  Laws designed to make a victim second guess their defensive choice are bad rules.

If I were to be woken in the middle of the night only to find a man naked from the waist down on top of one of my children, I wouldn't be looking for the rule book.

:)Wikipedia: An emoticon that means happy.

Please see your own post above.

Something like DEFCON-1, "Possible attack, alert all bombers to scramble", or 'take defensive stance, make pepper spray ready for deployment and remove safety'.

@Gregg 

Laws aren't Rules? When did that happen?

Are you really asking me what the difference is between a Law and a Rule?  I don't think you are, but just in case, I don't think you can go to prison for breaking a rule.

Rapist to victim "Why are you struggling so much, this is only a level 1 rape, you're acting like it's a level 3, settle the fuck down or I'll beat your face in!"

What has this got to do with Laws and Rules?  This is not a realistic scenario, and I do not know what purpose it is serving here.

Laws and Rules whether Criminal, Civil or Biblical don't change human behavior, fear of the consequences does.  Laws designed to make a victim second guess their defensive choice are bad rules.

Why stop at Laws and Rules?.  In this instance there are also Instructions, Commands, Directives, Orders, Regulations, and a whole host more. Any 'externally directed formal obligation' that is imposed cannot automatically guarantee fitting every unique situation.  This is one argument for having the Judiciary to interpret the meaning behind the Law when a specific circumstance arises.  I agree some Laws are vacuous - see Kris's comments regarding the Canadian Law against anal intercourse for example. Unbelievable!

If I were to be woken in the middle of the night only to find a man naked from the waist down on top of one of my children, I wouldn't be looking for the rule book.

Me neither - so it is a good thing we have a Judiciary system whereby "reasonableness" in terms of your (and my) imagined reaction to such a situation, can be accommodated.

I don't think we are taking a contrary position here, Gregg.  I just wanted to point out that where Kris was quoting Canadian Law, he was not holding it up as a paradigm of excellence, but demonstrating how his country has legislated on this kind of issue. 

I think we are all in agreement that "Bad" is "Bad", but we are trying to find a way to consider resolving a particular kind of "Bad" in a particular country with particular Laws, by perhaps drawing on ideas from other countries who would appear not to have a proliferation of the kind of "Bad" we are discussing.

A murder is a murder no matter where in the world it occurs, an assault is an assault and a rape is a rape, etc.

This is America, not Canada, not the UK, it is unique with it's own set of problems.  Trading one type of violent crime for another is not a solution to the "Bad", it is just moving the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Our problems stem for poverty and lack of adequate healthcare, if the politicians would focus on that, we wouldn't need to have this conversation.

For the time being I'll keep my guns and the Freedom to resist those who would take it.

FWikipedia: F is the sixth letter in the ISO basic Latin alphabet.

Actually it might be more like:

A) Do intelligence gathering about your target. 

B) Find weaknesses in target setting and context.

C) Determine strenght of posible opposition. 

C) Determine plan of attack.

D) Determine effective tools and weapons or target neutralization.

E) Determine exit options for post action extraction.

F)) Take a tactical position near your target.

G) Exicute plan.

H) Pick up pieces of you life should you have any.

Notice that a deep moral or ethical evaluation need not be of concern....;p(.

I love laws like this. In the microseconds one may have to react, one is supposed to review the law and apply it and then "man up," whereas those who second-guess afterward (prosecutor, judge, jury) get pretty much as long as they like to decide if one applied the law correctly.

Horseshit.

This is why the U.S. doctrine makes a lot more sense.

Oh? Where did I go wrong?

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