...a couple staffers had been armed?

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The shooting went on for 10 minutes. How would 2 or 3 minutes retrieving the guns and finding the shooter be "too late"? Yes, too late to save the early victims, but time enough to put an end to the killing before more are killed.

My feeling is that many among us who don't like firearms are willing to live with incidents like this and the death tolls involved if that is the price of having fewer firearms around overall. They feel that if that's the price, the price is worth it.

I suspect that the recipes for making bombs or poisons that could result in mass murder are readily available via Google. Like any balloon problem, if you squeeze here you get a bulge there. Squeeze at accessibility of guns and you'll get a bulge at bombs or poison. You'll end up requiring people to have a government permit of some sort to buy household cleaners or pesticides. And if someone is willing to die themselves, what do they care if they have to register?

The will to kill is the problem, not the means.

The problem is your hypothesis does not bare out in reality. Look at any other first world country that has banned guns and you will notice no rise in people making bombs in their kitchen to compensate for laws against guns.

The reason being is that nearly all of these mass killings in america is due to some unassuming  person suffering a psychotic break of some sort. Now such a person is nearly never in the right frame of mind to methodically  spend time getting the required ingredients and carefully follow the instructions to make a bomb. They are in the perfect frame of mind though to grab a gun and start shooting people .

I haven't looked up stats on guns and gun laws in other countries, but I don't know that you're reasoning here makes much sense.  Most mass shooters spend weeks or months methodically planning. 

I like firearms and I don't think that more firearms will solve the problem.

In fact, there is an interesting study out of Australia that strongly suggests that fewer firearms reduces firearm deaths (seems intuitive, really). 


Also, you have other areas where firearms are available in excess. Yet, safety is not guaranteed.


The whole gun rights/gun control debate plays out like a scene from Dr. Strangelove more often than not.

'I feel' ver 'I think', that I would not wish that thugs with guns, to rule. I also would rather not 'live' with any frequency of these incidents, nor will there ever be an acceptable death toll. Death is part of being alive, but I would rather take my chances with nature, than the twisted effects of culture any day. It becomes a quality of life issue. I would rather not tolerate poisened rivers and the extinction of life, any more than a culture that has become so toxic, as to create or tolerate a growing ugliness as we have experienced these last few days.

'..We are getting used to it..' (Grand Canyon, movie 1991)

As I read the posts, it feels as if many of us see this apparent growing level of violence as just another cynical business opportunity. I think I would rather have speed bumps on our freeways, than a seeming daily litany of school killings, piles of body bags, the wailing of familys, and another sale of weapons to a desparate/nieve population of future victims.  

Can we focus on the 'causes', or are we affraid of looking into the abyss, to see what looks back into us? Maybe we already KNOW? 

The fact that we've had mass shootings in the news quite a bit this year might lead us to forget that, in this country of about 315 million, a few dozen deaths is really nothing. In fact, 10 times that amount wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket. We actually have bigger problems to deal with.

Preventable deaths should never be dismissed so lightly.

1% of the 30,000 US gun deaths per year are justifiable, including police action.

So, yeah, NO...

You're saying that if a couple people (security officers, teachers or administrators) had been armed it would not have reduced the death count. 

Explain, please.

Nope, not at all. By the numbers, facts are facts, It just doesn't pan out. Even armed security guards are easy marks. It takes about 2 minutes to kill a classroom full of kids.

To be at the ready, every teacher would have to  essentially be "a soldier", armed and ready, crouching behind cover all day.The killer has been planning this out. Do you really want everyone living under the gun? I would like to think Americans can own guns. I guess that is asking too much.



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