...a couple staffers had been armed?

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If you want an intelligent discussion, then have one.

The cause of why humans are violent toward each other might be a useful discussion to have.

Only having one tool of violence as the center piece of the discussion isn't going to result a useful discussion about the cause.

I am not an anti-gun or pro-gun. [Blaine]

You could have fooled me.  You sure seem willing to focus on, and perhaps even blame, an inanimate object for a problem with certain small number of people.

Only having one tool of violence as the center piece of the discussion isn't going to result a useful discussion about the cause. [Gregg]


There was zero gun crime in the 11th century.  Zero, zilch, nada.  Yet I doubt people either felt or were safe. 

The problem isn't "gun crime" it's crime, period, and to deny law abiding people the right and tools for self defense because someone else abused or could abuse that right would be like (to carry some people's favorite analogy a bit further) like duct taping people's mouths shut on entering a theater because otherwise someone might yell fire.

@ Blaine,

Buddy you just went off the deep end, climb out, dry yourself off, calm down and try to rejoin the conversation.

Take your time we'll wait.

And by the way it was me, not Gregg, who said it.

can be changed easily to auto


It's apparently a very complex task, one for someone who is a trained machinist with his tools; the most likely result of an amateur doing it is it slamfires once and becomes a club.  http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=6&f=17&t=367316  It certainly isn't just "file down a part."

I figure that 'guns' are just one expression of a 'tool' for the all too human tendency to cruelity, violence, and control.

Once, when I was much younger, a babysitter taped my mouth shut, because I was just playing. Since then, I have become deeply aware of the ways to 'tape one's mouth shut'.   

Sorry, guns are DIFFERENT. You don't have to struggle. You don't have to test your strength against your opponent. You don't have to think - even for one second. You don't even have to get blood on you. You can just stand across the room or across the street and pull a trigger. You don't even have watch them die. Just turn around and walk away.

Mass murder (assuming a single, deranged individual) would be virtually impossible without guns. People would run away. People COULD fight back. Banning assault rifles and large magazines is just window dressing. I'm guessing that the vast majority of mass murders using assault rifles could just as well have been committed by someone with a single pistol and a pocket full of bullets were it not for the perpetrator's "gun disease".

Employing the same hyperbole as Charlton Heston, guns, even hunting rifles, should, indeed, be pried out of the cold dead hands of those who think guns are a good and necessary part of a sane society.

Sadly, I expect that as technology and knowledge improves, the nutjobs, might have access to 'bedlam in a box' technologies. I expect that 'peace in a box' technologies will fall behind that the latter variety...;p(. Of course at some point, depending upon your personal spin, 'Bedlam can equal Peace'. I hope to not be anywhere near if that ever happens.... 

And as blindly pro-gun as NRA members are, I can understand that they don't want their guns under government control because, I'm fairly sure, very little murder and mayhem are committed by NRA members. They, quite rightly, don't see themselves as part of the gun crime problem. How much gun crime is committed by NRA "good old boys"? Got any stats on that?

Why don't you talk to the drug gangs or the disaffected teen boys about guns?

I'm with you on everything else but the NRA is basically a fucking mafia. The only reason they don't want anything banned is because it'll hurt sales, therefore bribes. I admire their arrogance and blatant mockery of human intelligence though. They have an agenda that could make Satan cum twice in a row. They could easily be the villains of the next James Bond movie.

Someone got killed? I got it! You need more guns. Buy more guns and arm the schools. We'll call it the S.H.I.E.L.D. project! Hell we'll even hire Samuel L. Jackson and give him a floating castle, just to make it even goofier!

As a member of the NRA I find some of the rhetoric that spews out of old Wayne's mouth makes me cringe.  But then again that's not why I'm a member.  I am also a member of the GOA.  I also write letters to Congressmen and Senators and Governors.

I do this to protect my human rights to freedom and liberty.  I'm also a big fan of self determination.

I, nor anyone I know condones killing the innocent.


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