I tend to get annoyed with the instantaneous dismissal of creationism simply because the physical world can support itself by itself, similar arguments. Or just the general idea that theists are theists because "science can't explain this phenomenon, therefore God did it". Nobody seems to recognize that "God" is outside the box of the universe; he isn't just some finite entity made of dark matter who at random times manipulates the physical realm in ways that science can't explain... eh.. what i'm getting at is that so what if science does accurately explain event X, what if we can even use science to explain everything that happens in the entire universe!? When a creationist says that God set the world into motion, that doesn't mean that said creationist has to pretend centripetal force and inertia is made up by God-haters and it is actually the physical hand of God spinning the earth and whirling it around the sun... that means said creationist believes that the centripetal force due to gravity is God's doing. This idea can apply to the Big Bang theory as well, even evolution for all I know. When the Bible says that God created the Earth in 6 days and I hear a counter argument that goes something like "oh well the earth was actually formed in x amount of days so explain that" I just say "the hell if I know" because I don't know! Go argue against a fundamentalist! I don't know if the Bible is speaking literally at that instance or not, if so, maybe it really was? who's to say at what point in the earth's creation did God start counting? Who's to set the precise definition of the word "day" in that verse? The point is that there are too many dang variables for anyone to outright dismiss God because of what's in the Book of Genesis, unless YOU are the one reading the Bible like a fundamentalist.
What I personally get from the Bible has absolutely nothing to do with science. You can't just compare science against God like they are two conflicting views of what happens in the universe. From a purely scientific point of view, I'm saying that maybe the deists or agnostics have it right in the sense that God may or may not intervene in the physical world and who the heck knows or even cares if He's actually moving stuff around or not. Worrying over "proving" that He does or does not exists is not the point, because science simply can't do that either way! Its just an endless cycle of opinion.
The Bible isn't intended to leave you worrying about finding tangible evidence for God. Finding God is a heart issue, not a science issue. I think that is what the Bible is all about. :)
No problem - that's just my warm up material.
@ Heather - I hear you. Thanks for enlightening me. Tough break.
It's not dismissive - it is a part of the picture.
PS I too had my life properly ruined by religion, and had to build it all up again myself. I seriously hated Christians for a long time, and wasn't proved wrong, until the last few years when I started meeting a few I could respect.
There are few of them that I hate - at least as a percentage of the total. Theism itself is what I truly despise though - and haven't met a theology yet that I view as anything other than repugnant.
@ Heather - I know one or two "modern"-type Christians, and I find that we agree on most things, and can respect each other. I would be happy to have them on my side and I could rely on them.
You can rely on them until you in some way come in conflict with their superstition - and at that point there is no reasoning through it; facts mean nothing to people who believe in invisible fairies.
If you looked around at the world and realized that 80-90% of people believed in the Norse pagan gods and organized their lives around this belief, wouldn't you, as someone for whom it is obvious that the Norse gods are a fiction, find it incredible and fascinating? Heck, don't Christians find it fascinating that more than half the world believes in the wrong concept of God and is going to burn for eternity? How can anybody NOT be interested in God and religion?
Did I read correctly that centripetal force is due to gravity?
It can be.
Can you explain?
Thank you for the precise understanding of my post.
I messed up. I read it wrong. But I will make up for it with an apt comic.