Wondering how this point will come across
I tend to get annoyed with the instantaneous dismissal of creationism simply because the physical world can support itself by itself, similar arguments. Or just the general idea that theists are theists because "science can't explain this phenomenon, therefore God did it". Nobody seems to recognize that "God" is outside the box of the universe; he isn't just some finite entity made of dark matter who at random times manipulates the physical realm in ways that science can't explain... eh.. what i'm getting at is that so what if science does accurately explain event X, what if we can even use science to explain everything that happens in the entire universe!? When a creationist says that God set the world into motion, that doesn't mean that said creationist has to pretend centripetal force and inertia is made up by God-haters and it is actually the physical hand of God spinning the earth and whirling it around the sun... that means said creationist believes that the centripetal force due to gravity is God's doing. This idea can apply to the Big Bang theory as well, even evolution for all I know. When the Bible says that God created the Earth in 6 days and I hear a counter argument that goes something like "oh well the earth was actually formed in x amount of days so explain that" I just say "the hell if I know" because I don't know! Go argue against a fundamentalist! I don't know if the Bible is speaking literally at that instance or not, if so, maybe it really was? who's to say at what point in the earth's creation did God start counting? Who's to set the precise definition of the word "day" in that verse? The point is that there are too many dang variables for anyone to outright dismiss God because of what's in the Book of Genesis, unless YOU are the one reading the Bible like a fundamentalist.
What I personally get from the Bible has absolutely nothing to do with science. You can't just compare science against God like they are two conflicting views of what happens in the universe. From a purely scientific point of view, I'm saying that maybe the deists or agnostics have it right in the sense that God may or may not intervene in the physical world and who the heck knows or even cares if He's actually moving stuff around or not. Worrying over "proving" that He does or does not exists is not the point, because science simply can't do that either way! Its just an endless cycle of opinion.
The Bible isn't intended to leave you worrying about finding tangible evidence for God. Finding God is a heart issue, not a science issue. I think that is what the Bible is all about. :)
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Permalink Reply by Violet Chartreuse on -
Daniel, that was a wonderful analogy. I plan to use it.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Leitch on -
Love it. : )
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Permalink Reply by Heiko Knipfelberg on -
++1
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Permalink Reply by Jerod on -
What I got from this is that either you misunderstood my argument (my fault again), and/or you think my argument is more absurd than the IDK SO IT HAD 2 BE GOD argument, which I agreed to be fallacious. I'm not filling the gaps with magic.
What I think is that God made it so that you can't "prove' or "disprove" his existence using the scientific method. He made it so that you only have two options- to accept nothing as a miracle or to accept everything as a miracle.
You can believe what you want to believe as well, good sir. And I apologize for the religious nuts forcing your kids to learn about the Bible in school and telling you shit about you writhing in agony for eternity. It is nobody's right...
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Permalink Reply by Kris Feenstra on -
He made it so that you only have two options- to accept nothing as a miracle or to accept everything as a miracle.
Do you believe that God imposes some form of consequences (good, bad or neutral) based on which one a person accepts, or does it just come down to a matter of personal experience and fulfillment? Just a point of curiosity.
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Permalink Reply by Ceci on -
What I think is that God made it so that you can't "prove' or "disprove" his existence using the scientific method. He made it so that you only have two options- to accept nothing as a miracle or to accept everything as a miracle.
that's a new, interesting and very convenient point of view :D
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Permalink Reply by Ceci on
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what i can't understand is how can people say so easily "i think that xxx etc." without a scrap of evidence. on which basis do they claim their belief? it's hard to follow that kind of arguments.
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Permalink Reply by Jerod on
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Idk thats just the way it looks to me... from more of a philosophical point of view i guess.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Glover on -
Why be so tricky? If a deity cared so much about your salvation that the sacrifice of his child was necessary, then wouldn't it be reasonable to believe that the knowledge of his existence would be universal? To assume there is a god that wants you to believe in him so strongly that he will torture you forever, but provide you no proof, or way of proving his existence whatsoever seems sadistic.
I tried to explain this by saying I have enough evidence to reasonably conclude there is no god. Reaching further is only an attempt to rationalize his existence. And if you are willing to do that, nothing is out of bounds. He can do anything.
I know, as reasonably as anyone can know, there is no god. To pretend otherwise would certainly not fool an omniscient being. But let's face it, there is only one unforgivable sin. That is to deny the holy spirit. This says volumes to me. The only thing you can't do is think, despite the utter lack of evidence.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Glover on
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I tried to say that I concluded reasonably to "accept nothing" as my decision. But, you are right from the standpoint that you have to accept it all or nothing. This is what frightens me most about religion. The "all" includes Leviticus. It also means you should seek me out to destroy me. It means you can own slaves, sell your daughter, or worse kill her for disobedience. And the list is long...
If you believe in the bible as the word of god, you should be a "religious nut". I would however choose to not follow a psychopath. It also means that there is nothing else to know. Why get on the Internet to discuss religion or opinions? You have all you need in the old and new testament. The fact that you asked questions would be cause for excommunication from some churches.
I wish you the best of luck on your search for the truth.
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