After all, we think a 14 year old should be in control of her body enough to decide on her own to have an abortion, so why isn't she old enough to consent to sex?
I'm thinking about this because of a case that's in the news today:
Kaitlyn Hunt, or “Kate,” has just refused a plea deal in a case that has focused the nation on discriminatory prosecutions and ways in which LGBT people are treated differently by some prosecutors. Kate Hunt, a high school senior who began a consensual relationship with a classmate three years her junior, when she was 17, was arrested when she turned 18 after her girlfriend’s parents demanded her arrest and expulsion from school.
The Florida prosecutor, Brian Workman, offered her a deal vastly different from those generally offered to teens in her situation engaged in opposite-sex consensual relationships. Instead of offering her a misdemeanor charge Hunt is being charged with two felonies. Her plea deal would include her being forced to register as a sex offender for the rest of her life, no possibility of her case being overturned or records sealed, and forced to serve two years’ house arrest.
“Hunt will appear in court June 20, and could face 15 years in prison if convicted... (source)
I'm curious what your thoughts are on the question in the subject line as well as on this case.
It always surprises me when someone encapsulates the situation is such few words. Nicely said.
So, she should have control over her body in order to have surgery for reasons that may be immature or even imaginary but we want to take that control over her body away in terms of her sex life.
When I say "immature" I mean she may be unwilling to let her parents know that she is being sexual (which I think is far more likely than that she is being abused because after all her sex partner isn't necessarily an adult) and when I say "imaginary" I mean she may be anticipating a reaction on her parents' part which is based more on irrational fear than fact.
I remember when my 16 year old daughter, in her first serious relationship, came to me for information on birth control. I gave her factual information and asked her why she didn't ask her mother. She said she was afraid her mother would be angry with her. I knew her mother wouldn't be and would give her even better information than I had, and I was right that she was happy to help our daughter.
I don't like the idea that everyone justifies allowing early teens to have a secret abortion on the idea that her parents must be monsters. I'd like to think most parents are not. (That's a general comment not necessarily aimed at you.)
I'll tell you why I don't take your link seriously: if one observes children in other countries with more desperate circumstances children became full adults in psychological terms much sooner, which shows that kids CAN become psychologically adult sooner.
I think that it is then down to the healthcare workers who are going to council and guide this woman in making her decision to be her advocate.
What makes you think she's going to seek a healthcare worker when she can just buy the morning after pill or get a quick secret abortion? She'll then go back to her abuser. What's functional about that?
"I'll tell you why I don't take your link seriously: if one observes children in other countries with more desperate circumstances children became full adults in psychological terms much sooner, which shows that kids CAN become psychologically adult sooner."
Crapola - You only think that because you dont see the damaged adults that these traumatized children turn into - if they survive to be adults that is.
Jacinta Saldahana - the Britich nurse who wasn't able to cope with life anymore and commited suicide after a prank phone call caused her to give up.
Her mother was too poor to care for her as a small child and she was farmed out. Probably abused and raped.
Extreme hardships in childhood does not create a more responsible and adult like child - it creates a traumatized child who becomes a fucked up adult.
Whatever's in their prefrontal cortex doesn't seem to keep them from growing up and taking on adult roles.
With the new availability of the morning after pill to anyone who wants it of any age, who needs Planned Parenthood. Surely to most 14 year olds a pill will seem a better option than a surgical procedure. Assuming of course they buy the pill the next day. If not, then they will go to PP. However, knowing teens...in one ear and out the other.
I'm not sure pedophiles will be having much of a field day since they are universally hated. Even most teens have an aversion to "old guys," so I don't expect a big surge in pedophiliac relationships. Besides, I don't know what will do the kid more harm: being boffed by a pedophile or the hysteria that usually accompanies real or percieved child abuse.
Why is she much to young? Humans have been having children at that age or younger for millennia. Having sex exposes ALL human beings to STD and all human beings with any reproductive capacity to the chance of creating a child. The average age of consent in the United States used to be 12. The drive to raise it was brought on by the Women's' Christian Temperance Union to delay female "participation in their self-pollution". All the rest of the arguments were tacked on later. Is it physically riskier for a younger female to have children? Yes. But the "burden, risk, and responsibility" of bearing and raising a child is only an issue if the mother lacks any framework of social support - which thankfully is a very rare occurrence in our culture and society.
"But the "burden, risk, and responsibility" of bearing and raising a child is only an issue if the mother lacks any framework of social support - which thankfully is a very rare occurrence in our culture and society."
I'ts not RARE ....Its common.
This is why men dont get it - they just dont get it.
You mean young mothers in the U.S. and most of the Western world do not get or have available to them:
(There's more - I've had to deal with social services - but the full list escapes me at this time).
Of course I know of instances of such being tossed out of the house by their own parents - that part is sadly common - but please look at my previous statement "ANY framework of social support" You quoted me there in fact . Are you asserting that it is common that a young mother get ZERO support? In the U.S. or Western society? I find that claim dubious at best. Can you give me the precise statistics? Remember "common" statistically is over 33%. Or are you relying on anecdotal evidence? The only thing gender precludes is direct insight to specific female-only biological functions in terms of personal experience. Saying that men "just don't get it" is not only cliched but ad hominem.
Angelina, love you like a sister, but having raised four daughters by myself, for eight years, the youngest being 9 months old and still in diapers, please don't tell me that I "just don't get it."
"Why is she much to young? Humans have been having children at that age or younger for millennia".
Because now - in civilized times, we know of the damage it causes them and the mortality rate is very high. Even in developed countries.
I know what you're saying, but we don't otherwise take people's rights away based on their prefrontal cortex development UNTIL they've done something wrong. Even then, the condition of their prefrontal cortex isn't the reason given for limiting their rights, it's whatever they did wrong. In a free society, you typically have to do something wrong before your rights are taken away. You are talking about a form of what's called under the law "prior restraint."
So, you think that, due to less than fully developed prefrontal cortex, a 14 year old needs counseling before making a decision with long-term consequences. How do you figure on administering that since a girl can both have sex and also get an abortion without counseling if she so wishes? and if she gets counseling, being a teen, she may simply choose not to listen, as is so often the case when teens get advice.