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Permalink Reply by Robert Taylor on June 22, 2011 at 1:15pm

Should have made myself more clear.  Not looking to get back together.  Definitely don't desire to have any more children nor ever marry again. I was just discussing what 'theism' had cost me in my younger days.

Permalink Reply by Joe Rivera on June 22, 2011 at 11:21am

Robert, sounds like we have some things in common. Here's my true story. At 13, I fell in love with a catholic girl (I was already "born-again"). I studied the Bible seriously (noting some strange things) and preached and sang in choirs through high school. The girl kept breaking up with me because of my "religion" (her words). Through the Air Force I preached and sang some more, especially in Tucson(64-66). We kept breaking up. There was a "catholic" boy she knew way back too. When we broke up, she would date him. Twenty years later, I happen to tell her that all "religions are fake" even though I was still going to church. By then, she had two children I had one (separate marriages). She divorces, I divorce and we talk on the phone, long distance. I tell her again that "all churches are out for the money". She marries that first boy. She still talks to my mother.

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Permalink Reply by Robert Taylor on June 22, 2011 at 1:19pm

Yup...common grounds here.  I finally woke up when I started reading Ayn Rand and about Objectivism.  Sacrificing a good value for a non-value is simply atrocious.  My life would have most assuredly turned out better if I had more maturity and knowledge back 'when'...I know now what I should have done and have to live with the decisions I made at that time.

Permalink Reply by Anthony Soto on June 22, 2011 at 9:30pm

I think it is because they may be afraid. My becoming an Atheist was a slow process. For as intelligent as they may be, they are still learning.

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Permalink Reply by Ron V on June 22, 2011 at 10:35pm

This topic is addressed in several decent books- if I recall correctly, these include:

The Religion Virus

Breaking the Spell

The Christian Delusion

 

If you haven't already read these, they may help answer your questions.

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Permalink Reply by Tony Jackson on June 23, 2011 at 1:12am

I believe that many intelligent people CLAIM to be people of faith because it brings them listeners.  If they profess to be atheist or agnostic they'll be shut out by "believers" and their message will never have the opportunity to see the light of day.  It's the Emperor's new clothes theory. No one wants to be the one who says the King is NAKED. To some, it's not worth the fight or, more likely, the financial risk.  

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Permalink Reply by William C. Walker on June 23, 2011 at 6:59pm

Religion is mostly a matter of geography & parentage.   If the doctors parents had been Muslims & he was born in the Middle East, he'd be a Muslim doctor.  Intelligence has nothing to do with religion. There are highly intelligent people of a 1,000 different 'faiths'.  People just don't USE it when it comes to religion.  You leave it at the door of the church, temple or mosque.

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Permalink Reply by Robert Taylor on June 23, 2011 at 9:35pm

Bravo, bravo. Excellent, precise and true.

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Permalink Reply by Suzanne Olson-Hyde on July 31, 2011 at 5:37am

Christians cherry pick. They read the bible and see how they should live.  I read the bible and I see horror, stupidy, uneducated, superstitious masses, mysogony, torture, hatred, and men who just want a bigger penis.

After talking to many christians and one muslim, I think, that most fundamental religious people have been indoctrinated and brainwashed from the age of, say three, with very superficial education, but the indoctrination never stops. They become fearful, when people are fearful, they become violent.

This is virtually impossible to ignore what you have been taught, very difficult to get that out of your head, for people who get out from under the fear, vehemence and violence of religions.

Christians need  an insurance policy - therefore if they are most of the time good, they will go to heaven, and if they are bad, they will go to hell. So off to church, or pray five times a day, whatever, they will surely go to heaven. It's just such a shame the majority of christians don't follow this. I was bought up catholic in Australia, BUT no brainwashing or indoctrination here. Of course there are some politicians who are hateful, vicious, gay hating christians here - but I can say, without fear or favour, they are  hateful, taking up just too much space on the planet. Then there is the pope, the Official Protector of Pedophiles - and his sydney offsider Cardinell Pell. Pedophile Heaven - God will forgive these pedophiles, the harm they have done to thousands of children, their lives they  have ruined, the suicides they are responsible for - and off they go again. Off to church we go, say the rosary, kneel and throw some water around, and they are forgiven. Forgiveness is their secret of keeping the insurance policy going. 

 

But I truly have my doubts about all these charletans hiding behind the cloth and cross - I don't think they are christian, I believe they couldn't give a damn about the bible, there are just too many of them.

How could they really 'believe' with god watching from above, and Jesus looking over their shoulder. I think the majority of christians are lying. I think they 'know' full well, it's a load of claptrap, the men in the vatican just don't want to lose their job.

 

But the true believers, uneducated, non inquiry, fearful. Fearful of getting tossed out of home losing their family, fearful of getting tossed out of school, there goes their education. So atheists who learn the truth just shut up.

 

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