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Permalink Reply by Nelson on May 28, 2009 at 6:16pm

what sort of research do you need to do? do you believe your god's instructions regarding rape are moral or immoral? why does it require research to acknowledge that it's plainly immoral to punish a woman who doesn't cry out, perhaps out of fear or because she has a knife to her throat, whilst being raped? why does it require research to acknowledge that failing to punish the rapist except to say that he has to pay his rape victim's father and marry his rape victim is immoral? what sort of person needs to do research into this?

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Permalink Reply by Nelson on May 28, 2009 at 6:21pm

i think she just started another thread for some reason. and if she meant looking up the passages in the bible then i hope she does do that. i gave her the chapter and verse citations and quoted the passages for her. the verses appear in a list of instructions so there's no context to speak of. it is the Mosaic Law as given by her god.

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Permalink Reply by Alicia Renea on May 28, 2009 at 6:38pm

I looked them up and he is talking about adultery more of a cultural saying not technically rape when sum 1 sleeps with who you are not supposed to is the same thing as rape in those days and the when she does not scream out it is saying that she is cheating on her husband and keeps it a secret and so its dishonest its adultery not rape

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Permalink Reply by Laura on May 28, 2009 at 6:40pm

I think your confusion comes from the fact that the verses you are citing do not see anything wrong with rape other than its status as adultery.

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Permalink Reply by Alicia Renea on May 28, 2009 at 6:47pm

i am not confused about it its not saying rape is okay it is saying adultery is not ok and it is using rape as the cultural word and the woman was not getting raped in dueteronomy 22:23-24 she was cheating on her husband and failed to be honest about it (scream out)

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Permalink Reply by Nelson on May 28, 2009 at 6:58pm

you're forgetting about the other passages i pointed to.

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. -- Deuteronomy 22:28-29

a virgin who is unbetrothed, meaning a woman is not married or attached to a man... your argument doesn't work here. go ahead and try to defend this one.

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Permalink Reply by Alicia Renea on May 28, 2009 at 7:02pm

yes shes a virgin and so she is not cheating but she is not married and sex before marriage is not okay either so if a man and woman sleep together without being in wed lock they must marry

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Permalink Reply by Nelson on May 28, 2009 at 7:20pm

and so again, rape isn't the issue because if the sex was consensual your god would have the same problem with it. so there's nothing else wrong about rape than simply sex before marriage. again, do you not hear what you're saying?

Permalink Reply by Mario Rodgers on September 27, 2010 at 10:08pm

sex before marriage is not okay either so if a man and woman sleep together without being in wed lock they must marry

It's bullcrap like this that's destroying the planet. I defy your religion's moral superiority.

How do you address the issue of a human being worth X amount of shekels. Go ahead. Try and put a spin on it and MAKE it sound moral!

Permalink Reply by Reggie on September 28, 2010 at 12:07am

Christ, Mario!

She's been gone since mid-2009. What were you thinking? Is it because she looks pretty and maybe you can talk sense into her? Maybe it will lead to a lifelong love? Or did I just give away my fantasy?

Permalink Reply by Aric on May 28, 2009 at 9:26pm

You know, Alicia, sometimes when the Bible says something it's not a metaphor. Sometimes it means what it actually says. You can't regard the parts you don't like as metaphors or cultural differences and regard the parts that you do like as the holy word of God.

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Permalink Reply by Frink on May 29, 2009 at 1:11pm

So according to Christians, adultery and rape now mean the same thing. How compassionate. You learn something new every day.

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