@Angelo, you're asking whether I would prefer to believe, "we are the result of pure chance, or physical necessity," as allowed by the laws of physics and the principles of Natural Selection, or would I rather believe in magic.
I can't imagine, given those options, that an answer is even necessary, but, the former, definitely!
BTW - say "Hi" to Michael for me and tell him I said, stay on the meds!
I don't think it was 'pure chance' for me. My parents 'knew' each other 7 months before I was born. I was a wanted child, or atleast a pleasant accident...;p)
i am not proposing magic, but a intelligent mind. even more awesome than magic would be just pure chance or physical necessity, your only alternative options. i can tell you , these are completely irrational and impossible alternatives. Similar being irrational to believe, Shakespeares Hamlet could have been written by chance, so cannot the stored information in DNA, which is much more complex, essential for all life.
Angelito - RE: "Shakespeares Hamlet could have been written by chance"
But it wasn't, it was written by the great creative talent of the Human mind, using the same kind of fertile imagination that created your god with the "intelligent mind."
BTW, if no magic was involved, how did this, "intelligent mind. even more awesome than magic" create the enormous universe? Where did he live before it was created?
so you admit hamlet could have not been written by chance, but by a great creative mind. But you believe, dna, which contains much more complex information, could ?
We do not know HOW God created the universe. Where he lived, is a non sense question. A spirit does not need physical space to exist. Where does your thoughts live ? could you point out the physical space, they occupy ?
RE: "Where does your thoughts live ? could you point out the physical space, they occupy ?"
Yes, inside my head - they are created by chemical interactions and delivered by electrical impulses within my brain.
RE: "Where he lived, is a non sense question. A spirit does not need physical space to exist."
Only because your god is a nonsense god - there are no such things as spirits, but if they were, and didn't need a physical space to exist, then it follows that they couldn't manipulate physical material. Unless, of course, they used magic, and as you've already stated, "i am not proposing magic."
And, re: "A spirit does not need physical space to exist." - do you have evidence to support this, or are you just making it up as you go along? Please provide scientific evidence for the existence of spirits and substantiation of their existence requirements.
So here's what I get - by far the majority of scientists, in their appropriate fields, support, and have evidence to support, both the Big Bang theory of the creation of the universe, and of abiogenesis, while you may be able to cite a handful of theists, who may or may not be scientists qualified in the appropriate fields, who maintain it's not possible.
Yet you have ABSOLUTELY no evidence of "spirits," the existence of your "creative intelligence" or that the universe was created in any other way.
Is that a fair summation?
how about we keep in track, and you provide just one example of complex information as contained in shakespeares hamlet, and so same in dna, that has not a intelligent mind as origin ? as long as you cannot do that, you have nothing reasonable on hand as alternative of a intelligent mind as origin of life.
Angie - that's just one of the many, MANY ways in which your logic is flawed.
Let's say, for a moment, that I cannot specifically say how DNA is formed (not necessarily because there isn't such information out there, just that I'm notg sufficiently expert in the field to testify in it's behalf), therefor, I can say, I don't know.
On the other hand, you are proposing an "alternative of a intelligent mind as origin of life," - it becomes then your responsibility to provide evidence of this.
Please do so with your next post.
Arch has a spider infestation
Manfrotto makes spiders
Manfrotto hates Arch
(waves from a fly-by posting in the UK)
Sounds like someone is full of room-temperature beer --
You are proposing magic.
By adding a creator to the equation, you are not answering the "how," you are adding a "what" which answers nothing.
Abiogenesis, the big bang and evolution are all testable theories that have proof to back them up, and they help answer the "how we got there." Your creator has no testable evidence, or any evidence at all, it just adds an unnecessary, and according to the beliefs of the people who agree with a creator, unexplainable, element to the question.
Saying "it is complicated, therefore a creator did it," doesn't explain how it was done.
I know theists love using the automobile as an explanation to support design, so here we go.
Say that I ask you how an automobile is made... Would you point me to a video or a book explaining the process of manufacturing, and show evidence that this is the process to make a car, or would you say "Henry Ford," and just leave it at that.