Why Do Atheists Have to Talk About Atheism?

By Greta Christina

Thinking you're right and trying to persuade other people you're right is not intolerant or close-minded -- it's a cornerstone of democracy.

June 26, 2009


Whenever the subject of atheism comes up, anywhere that isn't an atheist discussion group or something, one sentiment almost inevitably comes up:

"I wish atheists wouldn't talk so much about atheism."

The sentiment gets worded in many different ways. "The new atheists are so evangelical." "This atheist criticism of religion is just intolerant." "You atheists are just as close-minded as the hard-line religious believers you're criticizing."


But the essence of it is the same: The fact that many atheists are talking publicly about our atheism, and are trying to persuade people that we're right about it, shows that we're ... well, evangelical, intolerant and close-minded. So today, I want to explain why so many atheists think it's important to talk about atheism ... and why many of us try to persuade other people that atheism is correct. The first answer is the most obvious: Anti-atheist bigotry. Atheists talk about atheism because there's a lot of misunderstanding and hostility toward us. It's nowhere

near as severe as racism or sexism; but it does exist, and it has real-world consequences. Parents are denied custody of their children for being atheists; people are harassed and and their homes vandalized by their neighbors for being atheists; teachers are suspended for being atheists; teenagers are harassed and suspended from school for being atheists; politicians whip up anti-atheist fear to try to get elected. (And that's just in the U.S. I'm not even talking about parts of the world where atheism is a crime punishable by imprisonment or death.)


Making ourselves visible, coming out about who we are and what we do and don't believe, is the best way we have to counter that.


That's only a small part of the story, though. Another part -- and probably more important -- is that many atheists see religion not just as a mistaken idea but as a harmful one. We see it as a serious social problem, a type of belief that on the whole does significantly more harm than good ... and one that, because of its ultimately unfalsifiable nature, has little or none of the reality checks that other belief systems eventually have to measure up to.


We see people bombing buildings, abusing children, committing flagrant fraud, shooting political dissenters, etc., etc., etc., all behind the armor of religion ... and we feel a need to speak out.

Even that, though, is missing the crux of the issue. The crux of the issue, the most important answer to the question, "Why do atheists have to talk about atheism?" is this: Why shouldn't we?

Thinking you're right, and trying to persuade other people you're right, is not intolerant or close-minded -- it's a cornerstone of democracy. That's how it works: people explain their ideas, debate them, make arguments to support them, revise or refine or drop them in the face of valid criticism, make snarky jokes in the face of stupid criticism.


The marketplace of ideas won't flourish if people don't bring their ideas to the market. Being close-minded doesn't mean thinking you're right; it means refusing to reconsider your position, even when the evidence suggests that you're wrong. And being intolerant doesn't mean thinking other people are wrong; it means refusing to listen to them, and dismissing them entirely as stupid or wicked, simply because you disagree with them. Think of it this way. Is it intolerant or close-minded to say that single-payer is the best plan for the American health care system? That public funding for solar power will reduce our dependence on foreign oil? That global warming is real? That the theory of evolution is right? Is it intolerant or close-minded to try to persuade people to come around to any of these points of view? And if not ... then why is it intolerant or close-minded for atheists to explain why we don't believe in God and to try to persuade people that, of all the ideas people have about religion, atheism is the most plausible?


See, here's the thing, atheists see religion as a lot of things. But for many of us, religion is, above all else, a hypothesis about how the world works and why it is the way it is. Obviously, we think it's a mistaken hypothesis: inconsistent with itself, inconsistent with reality, unsupported by any good evidence. We can't prove our case with 100 percent certainty -- that's pretty much impossible, especially when you're trying to prove a negative -- but we think we can make a pretty good case.


But more to the point: We see no reason to treat religion any differently from any other hypothesis about the world. We think it's valid to ask it to support its case just like any other hypothesis ... and just like any other hypothesis, we think it's valid to poke holes in it in public.


And we think one of the main reasons religion has survived for so long is that it's so impressively armored against criticism and indeed against the very idea that criticism of it is an acceptable thing to do. So we therefore think criticizing religion is not only valid, but important. It doesn't just chip away at religious beliefs themselves. It chips away at the idea that religious beliefs should be immune to criticism. It chips away at the armor that religion has used so effectively for so many centuries to shield itself from any and all questions and critiques.


Now, playing devil's advocate for a moment: Some may argue that I'm being hypocritical; that I'll decry the evangelism of evangelical believers, but am willing to defend it in atheists. But I don't, in fact, have a problem with evangelical believers trying to persuade others that they're right. Don't get me wrong: I think many of their specific beliefs are mistaken. I think many of their specific beliefs are bigoted, hateful and harmful. I have serious problems with many of the methods they use to persuade, with their reliance on fear and false promises and, in some cases, outright lies. And I think far too many of their rhetorical devices simply deflect legitimate criticism instead of answering it. But I don't think it's wrong of them to express their beliefs and to try to persuade others that they're right. Again -- that's the marketplace of ideas. And I'm in favor of that. I can disagree passionately with someone's ideas without thinking they're jerks simply for wanting to share them.


I think a little historical context may be in order. This "I'm so tired of hearing about (X), proponents of (X) who advance their views in the public eye are intolerant" trope has been used against every major social-change movement I can think of. Gay activists were "in your face"; civil rights activists were "hostile"; feminists were "strident." And now atheists who make our case are "intolerant" and "evangelical." When people speak out, not against atheism, but against the very idea of atheists persuasively expressing their views, I always want to ask if that's really the side of history they want to end upon.


Besides, it's not like we're standing outside anyone's window with a bullhorn at 3 a.m. We're not holding a gun to anyone's head and making them read Pharyngula. We're not even knocking on people's doors at 8 o'clock on Saturday morning to share the good word about Darwin. (Well, except for that one guy...)


If people don't want to hear what atheists have to say, there is a wide, wide world of blogs, newspaper articles, magazine articles, YouTube videos, movies, TV shows and oodles of other media available with just a flip of the page or a click of the remote or the mouse. If someone is seriously angered because they occasionally see the word "atheist" in a headline, or have to change the channel if Richard Dawkins is on, then I have to wonder if what's upsetting them is not the evangelical intolerance of atheist activists, but the very idea of atheism itself. Now, if someone disagrees with us, then by all means, I want them to say so. If someone thinks that there's solid, reliable evidence supporting religious belief, or that the good done in the name of religion outweighs the harm, then I strongly encourage them to bring their ideas to the conversation and to make their case.


But there's a world of difference between, "Here's why I don't agree with you," and, "You are a bad person for even opening your mouth." The former is an attempt to engage in the conversation. The latter is simply an attempt to shut us up. If someone comes to the marketplace of ideas and the only thing they have to offer is, "How dare those atheists set up a stand here! They're trying to convince us that we're mistaken and that their ideas are better! That's so intolerant!"... then I don't see any reason why I should take that seriously.

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There is another reason I think atheists,,, hey wait a minute,,,, shouldn't that be capitalized? I mean it is a name for a group of people right? Every other name I can think of for groups of people who share a fundamental interpretation of reality(FIR), is capitalized. Well anyway, another reason for Atheists to be vocal about their FIR is that most, if not all, religions with a personal deity believe that deity is in control of world events. This is a dangerous belief set, as there is then no reason to attempt to curb the irresponsible, and destructive behavior of the species. Some may say, "Oh no we are taught by god to be good stewards of his creation."  Well I would strongly assert that with the underlying security blanket of "god's plan", that this may cause bottle and can recycling, but seriously can someone of this mind set believe that we must take action to avoid the extinction of the species?

This is a very fine post. I sincerely agree. It's silly that atheists shouldn't be allowed to tout their beliefs when religious people do.


There is a massive difference between intolerance of religion and critique of religion.


Atheist critique only becomes a problem when it boils down into baseless insults. We see this anywhere that people believe what they believe in a radical, blind, and close-minded way. Religious people are just as guilty if not moreso of this behavior.


Tolerance and critical thinking can go hand in hand. It's amusing because I just had a similar debate with a friend who told me that I needed to be more tolerant of her attitude (which was, incidentally, in her own words: 'not giving a sh!t about the environment').  


Being open-minded isn't about wondering if 2+2 might actually equal 5, either. It's about understanding that by a different system, two 2s make 22. 

It was only until fairly recently that I found there were so many atheists around, and that is only thanks to the internet. I would claim to be an atheist, only if someone said to me 'God, bless you", or some such thing. I am becoming more vehement and frothing at the mouth, only because one is finding out about all the rotten thinks supposed xians are doing, hiding behind the cloth - rampant pedophilia, especially the catholic church and now jehovah witlesses, child rape and torture, hateful, violent cruel xians, closet gay evangelical preachers, conning people out of millions etc. etc. - and they are now being allowed to come into our secular schools.

These are the reasons, and many more, why atheists are becoming more vocal - don't care what xians believe in, or forwhatever reason. xians of every denomination protect the heiarchy, and don't care who they sacrifice for it. But I live in a society where it doesn't really matter what one believes or doesn't believe - one doesn't have to be careful what one says.

I've found that, unlike most religious people, atheists are more likely to admit that they don't know everything.


When people claim to have absolute truth and ignore evidence that the truth they claim does not match up to reality, safeguarding truth and the ability to ever find it is, ultimately, up to those who disagree and to those who believe in evidence over dogma. You either speak up when someone says something that isn't true, or you let their lies impact the world you live in.

Great article.  I think it’s important to be vocal.  We are going through what I think history will dub the Information Revolution, or something of that effect.  One reason religion has been so strong for so long is information has been exclusive to a select powerful few throughout most of our history, and as such has used it for control and power.  Now with the vast collective knowledge of human history and thought available to even children, literally at the tips our fingers, it’s harder to sell religion.  I think it’s great that so many people, especially the younger generations, starting to ask questions, and not being sold instantly on religion.  The more of us that are vocal, the more people will hear, question, research and join, or rather un-join religion.  I think it’s time we buried the monster that has plagued humanity for too long, who needs fairy tale explanations when we have facts, science, and most important information?



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