It almost seems like atheists don't want to believe in God. Do you just simply not want to believe in God because you don't want to give up your own free will?

ADMIN EDIT: Mercedes has left ThinkAtheist.com on her own accord. This discussion will remain, however do not expect a response from the author. 

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Ask for so much proof????? I asked for any proof and am still waiting

"Do you just simply not want to believe in God because you don't want to give up your own free will?"

I can't say I have looked carefully at all responses but did who noticed her desire to give up her ability to act independently and freely?

I was kind of confused by that question, because according to the accepted story, God supposedly gives us free will.

So I would think that a theist would see it the opposite way.  Not believing in God would be losing our source of free will.

Perhaps this was a Freudian slip?

I think the point is that doG (I LOVE that spelling!  LOL) gives us free will, but if we use it "wrong", we'll be punished for all eternity.  We can't be punished for all eternity like most xians would like if we don't have the freedom of will to reject god in the first place.  If you have free will, but reject it in order to self-impose slavery, then you're doing it right and you get praised for it.  If you exercise the free will that doG gave you, then you get punished.  If you read the bible and accept the doG that the xians do, this actually makes perfect sense.  LOL

And Mercedes is back,  I believe the God of the bible is as real as all the gods before it and the gods it was copied from. How did Adam and Eve populate the world with their two sons?

That was the original meaning of "a family affair" --

Family values, keeping it in the family, move two letters in "incest" and get "nicest", and surely a few more.

Was Cain or Abel hermaphroditic? (The term "intersex" is now also used.)

I think the books that nicely sum up reasons why I don't believe in a god(s) are:

1) Atheism, The Case Against God (Smith)

2) The Impossibility of God

3) Atheism, A Philosophical Justification (Martin)

4) God, The Failed Hypothesis (Stenger)

And, The Portable Atheist has some good essays, imo, as well.

So much proof?? We haven't seen a shred of proof. 

@Tom - No I haven't seen the medieval torture implements for boys, but I can imagine. They were the days for 'Who can think of the most disturbing pain inflicting implements -wins a prize.

Can it be that verbal bullying sufficed to discourage women? Could well be.

That hasn't worked in muslim countries, where they remove the clitoris, among other things.

Many straight folk I knew in San Francisco cheered LGBT liberation because we knew their winning freedom would increase freedom for all of us. The struggle continues.

That is really interesting - I think that is why the majority of people in Australia support gay marriage etc. for me, it is the loosening of the ties that christianity has, on what very little influence it has left, here. In about a week's time, parliament will vote on it - xian parliamentarians are also voting for it - politics talks. They could lose their seat if they vote against it. :)

The xians are out and about screaming the sky will fall.

Did you see where a french historian suicided in Notre Dame Cathedral. He was a gay marriage protester. Good riddance, one less loony tune. :)

The Cathedral suicide somes to be another very sad low in the ongoing theist tirade against the creeping decay in their accepted 'valued' talking points. So what shall be the end point? Will theists claim some protected statis and demand their own state, with nuclear weapons to protect their father land? Will we have a moment of silence for the last theist in their passing? Will there be a TV special, for 'Reality Deprograming: The Theist Mind End-Game '?

I do not think that theists represent a class of 'cognitive parasites', but this might just await the publishing of a new textbook. Our love/hate relationship seems to have more energy related to it than it needs. I have tried to 'move on', but find that my theist friends are not above casting the net once again to see what free thinkers/atheists/humanists they might seive from the surrounding population of searching/found souls.

Finding my moments of peace, minus theists or other marketers of ideology is possible, but also find that the surrounding 'nature' is penetrated by the theist sales force. Being told once that 'I would think better if I believed in god', only reduced the theist message to a web of marketing ploys. A minister 'friend' of mine once suggested that I take up insurance sales, but I just figured that she had just unknowingly reformated Pascal's Wager! 

I so much want to have a 'nice day'. Voltaire's suggested retreat to the garden, 'because it is place to find sanity', is very inviting. Sadly the price of viable land is at a premium. Reduced to 5 gal container gardening, does seem to offer pleasant distractions.

James     

    

 

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