It almost seems like atheists don't want to believe in God. Do you just simply not want to believe in God because you don't want to give up your own free will?

ADMIN EDIT: Mercedes has left ThinkAtheist.com on her own accord. This discussion will remain, however do not expect a response from the author. 

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Go to a good dictionary and read the definitions of cult.  All religions fit at least one of the definitions.  Christianity is a cult.  Islam is a cult.  Judaism is a cult.  All are cults in one way or another.  

You should not feel threatened by calling it a cult for that is just what it is.

Cult
Noun
A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

That's from a book too so it must be a fact.

Yes, your religion is a cult.  It's just a really, really big one.

Of course, even if you god existed I would not give up my free will. But that is besides the point. We ask for proof because any claim that is made MUST have proof. It is really amazing how the less proof something has the more adamant people are about its validity. I mean you wouldn't accept the theory of gravity if we were floating all the time would you?

You're still not answering my question though. To me there IS proof but you reject the proof so it's like you don't want to see the Bible for what it is so it just doesn't make sense to me.

He just doesn't see the Bible how you see it. You are not the ultimate authority on what is true, and I'm sorry to say neither is the Bible. You're very much stuck in a circle here.

What you are calling proof is not proof.  You are saying that the bible is proof because it says it is.  You  can't use the thing to prove itself.  That is basic.

Dear Mecedes, 

Now, i don't know how old you are but i'm guessing you still quite young. Also i'm trying to look at it a different way than others and i say you are here because you want to learn. Let lesson number 1 be the meaning of words. What do you think the word "proof" or evidence" means? 

proof is when you have more reasons to believe something than not to, i think

How about "better" instead of "more?"

Just a thought.

@Mercedes;

"proof is when you have more reasons to believe something than not to, i think"

You are wrong.

In math a proof has a certain meaning, in law a proof has a different meaning, etc. but nowhere is a proof based upon belief.

Proof is only available to reasoning minds, once reason enters the picture doGs disintegrate into the unreasoned superstition they came from.

Mercedes, wake the fuck up and use your mind, the mind is a wonderment, don't waste it.

You're still not answering my question though. To me there IS proof but you reject the proof so it's like you don't want to see the Bible for what it is so it just doesn't make sense to me.

To YOU there is proof?

That's not how proof works, Mercedes. Proof is reality. Proof is fact.

2 + 2 = 4.
Mercury boils at 356.73 °C
The earth orbits the sun.

That is reality. That is fact. These and millions of other facts are proven. Not just to me, but to you and everyone. They stand regardless of whether you know them or not, or accept them or not.

You are entitled to personal opinion but not to personal proof. To say something is only "proof to YOU" means it is not proof, not fact, not reality. 

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