It almost seems like atheists don't want to believe in God. Do you just simply not want to believe in God because you don't want to give up your own free will?

ADMIN EDIT: Mercedes has left ThinkAtheist.com on her own accord. This discussion will remain, however do not expect a response from the author. 

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Dear Mecedes, 

Now, i don't know how old you are but i'm guessing you still quite young. Also i'm trying to look at it a different way than others and i say you are here because you want to learn. Let lesson number 1 be the meaning of words. What do you think the word "proof" or evidence" means? 

proof is when you have more reasons to believe something than not to, i think

How about "better" instead of "more?"

Just a thought.

@Mercedes;

"proof is when you have more reasons to believe something than not to, i think"

You are wrong.

In math a proof has a certain meaning, in law a proof has a different meaning, etc. but nowhere is a proof based upon belief.

Proof is only available to reasoning minds, once reason enters the picture doGs disintegrate into the unreasoned superstition they came from.

Mercedes, wake the fuck up and use your mind, the mind is a wonderment, don't waste it.

Where is this proof of the validity of the Bible (and not just select factoids found in it, but every single word)? Proof, to be proof, is undeniable. If it's deniable, it MIGHT, at best, be evidence, if it's even that.

Where is your proof that the way you see The Bible is so flipping accurate that we must be morons for not agreeing with you?

Mercedes, It has nothing to do with WANT.  Again, the operative words in your above post are "To me..."  If I wanted to allow myself to believe, I could, but I would have to willingly suspend my disbelief.  

What I would need is something that blew my disbelief out of the water.  Again, though, we see what we want to see.  If I was looking for reasons to believe there is a god and it manifested itself in human form, I might find them.  However I am not.  

It is enough for me to believe that life arises from natural processes, and that evolution has led to the existence of all life on the planet.  My view of the cosmos does not require a deity.  If one shows up and convinces me, great!  The Bible is just not convincing to me.  Just because, that's why.  It just doesn't do it for me (and a lot of others).  

Ask your deity to make my Bible levitate and flap around the room like a bird at 3:30 this afternoon.  If I see that happening, I would have to take another look at it.  Then the Bible might be offering some kind of proof I could latch onto.

Oh! You could also say thunder was proof of Thor!

I have proof that Thor exists - They made movies about him!

Of course Thor exists, I saw him on the Internet.

The Internet is the ONE and ONLY TRUE doG!!!

:)

So...  Does that make Google, like...the Pope?

Hmmm.......more of a Poogle, I think. :D

Mercedes, have you read the Bhagavad Vita? In it Arjuna has conversations with Shri Krishna. This particular epic predates the bible and I can tell you has more beautiful prose and no obscenities described in the bible. Do you think since in several pages Shri Krishna is mentioned, is he/she/it real and if so why don't you believe in Shri Krishna?

It almost seems like atheists don't want to believe in God.

You have already passed judgment on atheists by this statement! By what authority do you claim to do this? How can you make such a blanket statement about people you seem to know so little about? Don't you think instead of asking us this question, which it appears to me, you have a predetermined answer to spend time on your own and read about atheism, then maybe you can come here and we have a discussion over a cup of coffee or cold malt whichever is your preferred beverage!

Do you just simply not want to believe in God because you don't want to give up your own free will?

What has god to do with free will? Forget the free will being an illusion, why would god give you free will, which you seem to think you have, and then have a problem you using it? Don't you think you make your god to look ridiculous?

I have also seen your comments regarding the bible. You so much want to find the bible true because it says so of itself, well even Mohammed says the same of the Koran. Do you take the Koran to be true since it is also claimed to be the word of god? If not what are your reasons for rejecting it? 

Do you think we have a duty to convince you of the truth of atheism? To what end? Are you looking reasons to be an atheist or what are you looking for? Or rather do you want us to join whatever cult it is you belong to?

You have dismissed the comparison between Santa Claus and god as being a weak one without providing reasons for doing so. The god hypothesis, is unnecessary and it is just that, a hypotheis for whom men have killed brother, sister, mother and father and for whom still some idiots in the middle east are killing each other over for a promise of some desert land that was made in the same book! How ridiculous god believers can be! No wonder some people pray that god save me from your followers!

Have you read Dante? He says "since god did not exist, one had to be invented". Look at the gods that have been named since the when man could write and you will see they are all creations of men. As man got imaginative, so were his gods in fact this is why I think the Greek gods like Apollo and Jupiter are grander than the christian god whose main modus operandi is killing and more killing, for the Greeks were more imaginative.

 

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