It almost seems like atheists don't want to believe in God. Do you just simply not want to believe in God because you don't want to give up your own free will?

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Creo que sí - pero es mas verdad de que la biblia --

No speakada spic.

Archie Bunker? I thought you were dead. At least I hoped --

I'm surprised you'd even say that, Matt - many members here are bilingual, some multilingual - Oyango Makagutu, for example, speaks his native Luo, as well as Swahili and English. This site is dedicated to those who reach out beyond what they were brought up with, and that would include language as well as religion.

Es tut mir leid, mein Herr. Does Klingon count? Actually a buddy of mine working on his second Cuban wife used that line when she was saying things he didn't want to hear. I do know un pocolito spic and can order Cevaza in a dozen languages even if I can't spell it. I consider ordering vin in a dozen other languages to be cheating. Then there is a choice selection of Russian insults I can't transliterate and Catholic HS Latin and a smattering of ancient Egyptian and Aramaic. And I consider myself real piss poor at languages.

I doubt that anyone minds that, Matt, as much as they do ethnic slurs, such as, "spic." In the right parts of most any city, that word can get you killed.

In this case spic is short for hispanic which is a reference to a language not a person. It cannot be an ethnic slur.

If in fact the use of the word is a cause for cold-blooded murder then the ethnics who would murder have earned a lot of slurring.

There are a lot of Hispanics who would disagree with you, some violently.

That is what the 2nd amendment is all about.

"The Bible was written by man but that makes it authentic. It was their relationship with the living God the way they saw it."

How can you say that, Mercedes? Think of all of the fictional books that were "written by man" - does that make them authentic?

Yes, the key phrase here is, "the way they saw it" - these were people living in the Bronze Age, who believed the sky was blue because space was filled with water, and we on earth were protected from it by a bubble called "the firmament." They believed their god lived in the sky, along with his angels - we've been to the moon and haven't run into him yet.

They were a bunch of superstitious, primitive people, who didn't know much about how the world worked, so they believed a supernatural being did everything. Now that we have a much clearer picture of how things work, we don't need those silly superstitions anymore.

How does the Bible being written by men make it authentic? The Egyptian Book of the Dead was written by men, so does that make it authentic? The Norse, Greek and Celtic beliefs were recorded by men, so does that make them authentic?

Also, the caveat that the Bible is true because it points to Jesus shows a huge error in your reasoning. You can only draw that as an important distinction if you already accept Christianity as true. If you don't already believe, then Jesus being the last big thing in the Bible is of no import. The Norse would tell you that their beliefs all pointed toward Ragnarok, and the second life in Valhalla. Are you now sold on the Norse traditions?

Additionally, do you know that Jesus is in the Qur'an as well. Islam is pretty much the new new testament, thought they say that Jesus was but a human prophet and not actually God on Earth. So the Qur'an has Jesus AND leads to Muhammad as well. So why not believe in Islam instead.?

Before you put too much emphasis on Jesus, perhaps you should consider the fact that he has never been confirmed to exist either.

I would say that you are welcome here. Some are more abrupt than others, and I certainly take issue with those that jump straight to calling believers 'mental'. The biggest frustration that some may have is that the same points keep being repeated over and over,  and that you keep offering the same 'proof' that has been found to be empty of worth long ago. So some would feel that you are ignoring our replies. But it could be the language barrier as well. Keep and open mind and answer honestly and everyone will get along fine.

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