It almost seems like atheists don't want to believe in God. Do you just simply not want to believe in God because you don't want to give up your own free will?

ADMIN EDIT: Mercedes has left ThinkAtheist.com on her own accord. This discussion will remain, however do not expect a response from the author. 

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True enough.  So, even if there were only 2 interpretations, it would prove that a "perfect god" didn't create it or it would be impossible to misinterpret, even once.

How about a Narwhal?

Do you believe in the Hindu trinity? Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva?  How much proof would it take for you to accept that that concept of god was possible much less correct?   Many people have a tendency to dismiss out of hand with the barest of considerations all other concepts but the ones under which they were raised.

The question of proof of god or not...is usually ONLY a question of whether OUR particular version of God is correct or not..   It doesn't even enter the mind to ask whether other versions/definitions of god might be correct....because they have already been dismissed out of hand.   We don't think to ask the question if Brahma is the correct definition of god or not.  What about Wakan Tanka?  The Great Spirit? etc...

Theists want to get onto atheists for demanding proof, when they aren't even willing to consider the question about other definitions of god, not to speak of whether there's proof enough to propose such a concept as a god in the first place.

Ok so I normally will read every post in a thread like this even if there is 13 pages but after about 4 I just can't take anymore.  How old are you?  You sound like you're about 9.  What do you do for a living, if you do anything?  Are you here just to quell your curiosity of how we could possibly reject something that seems so obvious to you?

Gosh, I don't know - we have a spirit who "inspires" Bronze Age/Early Iron Age men to write that he exists, that he can suspend the verifiable laws of physics in order to perform, "miracles," that promises an incredible life for all who obey his rules, many of which are strange (even by human standards), arbitrary, often conflicting, and self-serving, which only begins after you die - why indeed would anyone expect evidence before jumping on such a bandwagon? Sign me up!

I know what you mean. I post regularly here on the forums and yet they still deny my awesome powers. I mean when I say I'm the great God yahweh, it must be true because I said it!

Mercedes,

Fellow atheists have patiently provided you with abundant food for thought. Now the question is whether you are man or woman enough to seriously consider whether the responses have true merit. If you should decide to investigate any lingering doubts, which I believe may be your reason for addressing this forum, to the veracity of your own personal belief system then I would like to suggest the following:

1. Consider your place in life and on this planet from a demographic standpoint. Your adherence to the  Abrahamic religion, specifically christianity, is largely a result of your birthplace and subsequent indoctrination by your family and environment. Now, were you born into the correct religion? 

2. Take time to study the evolutionary origins of religion in general. Christianity is actually a fairly modern religion in the context of animism, etc. Boyer's 'Religion Explained' sheds some good light on the subject.

3. Ask yourself, outside of references to religious texts, aka the Koran or Bible, what evidence is available in my world that support the antiquated notion of invisible supernatural beings actually exist? 

4. How do you come to terms with the chaos of our civilization (disease, war, murder, rape, torture, pedophilia, etc) if your god is a loving caring being? Or did it simply create the 'heavens & earth' and now stands back with no direct intervention into the lives of homo sapiens?

5. Would an invisible all powerful being actually be so engrossed with this one solitary planet in this huge universe to require blind obedience and sacrificial offerings for promises of never having to die?

6. Science can be your friend and help provide answers to questions that our ancestors were not privy to. The more we learn in the scientific realm the less stable are the foundations of myths & religion. 

Yes Ed. some good replies here, some much more thoughtful than others. in regards to one of the questions here

How do you come to terms with the chaos of our civilization (disease, war, murder, rape, torture, pedophilia, etc) if your god is a loving caring being?

We have all sinned and fallens short of the glory of God...no one is perfect. I come to terms with it by accepting that fact and knowing that Jesus has died for my sins.

So you are saying that all (including you) have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god.  This then in your belief justifies the death of innocent children of disease and starvation.  How can you live with yourself if you really believe that your imperfection provides a justification for your god to kill and maim.  You have taken on an awful burden.

So you are saying that all (including you) have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god.

It is to say that no one is like God. For us to commune with Him we must be acceptable to Him but we all fall short and yes I am also a sinner. We all are. But if we recognize our need for God and ask for Him to come to us he will. 

It is to say that no one is like God. For us to commune with Him we must be acceptable to Him but we all fall short and yes I am also a sinner. We all are. But if we recognize our need for God and ask for Him to come to us he will.

Look at this image, Mercedes. This is ONE child of 870 million people around the world who are going hungry. Before 1990 it was a BILLION PEOPLE.

Every year 2.6 million children under age 5 die of starvation. That's nearly one child dying EVERY SECOND, Mercedes. These children are too small to ask God to come and save them. So the parents do instead. They cry out to God for their innocent children. "Please, God. I beg you! Grant me food today! Save my baby! I beg you!"

The child dies.

This scenario of misery, death, and grief plays out every day. Second after second, day after day, year after year. God does not come.

So there are three possibilities here.

1. Yahweh is able to help but he refuses to do so. He prefers it like this. He made all the rules, all of these people, and the world that is responsible for their suffering. He made them powerless to help themselves and now he refuses to help them as well. Yahweh is not all-loving, but a moral monster inflicting a slow, lingering suffering and death on billions of the weakest and most innocent of the species he created: cruelty on a level that defies comprehension.

2. Yahweh is unable to help. Yahweh's power is limited so he is not omnipotent and not really God at all.

3. Yahweh is imaginary. We're on our own. This is humanity's problem.

Pick one, Mercedes.

Try number three. The problem of world hunger remains, but once your mind is free it's a lot easier to face reality.

That is tragic. 

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