I feel compelled to point out something very obvious that everybody seems to be missing. 

But lets start at the beginning where every good story should start. In the past few years more and more right wing religious leaders seem to be jumping on the Gay bashing band wagon. These people seem to be getting more and more vocal and more and more media coverage. 

Perhaps its time we stopped listening and took a moment to think about why? 

Lets look at the real threat of Homosexuality toward Christianity. Does it look like homosexuals are ever going to be able to do anything to change Christianity and its core beliefs? 

It certainly doesn’t look like it to me, so why are these people so focused calling out homosexuality? 

I’ll tell you why: 


But why do they want to distract us? Lets look at the reality. 

There are very many serious issues that these super rich Christian organizations could address and actually do something about. 

For instance Child Poverty and Starvation.
Did you know that One out of every eight children under the age of twelve in the U.S. goes to bed hungry every night.  (source:http://library.thinkquest.org/C002291/high/present/stats.htm ) 

This is of course a real problem that these super rich Christian Churches could immediately resolve. They have more than enough money to feed these children so why are they not doing it?

 Surely that is exactly what Christ would expect them to do? 

In fact they have more than enough cash to make a big difference in the fight against child poverty world wide. This is what Christianity is all about isn’t it?

And there are many other things they could help with too. Providing better and free education, free medical services for those in poverty and so on. The list goes on and on. 
The needs of the less fortunate should be something every true christian aches to fulfill and I always thought that was what Christianity was all about so what is going on here? 

Again the answer seems obvious: 
These kind of Christians are not really interested in what Christ would want them to do, they are only interested in keeping hold of and getting more money.

So they take the focus away from their Satanic selfishness by calling out the homosexual community for living exactly as God (Yes I know he does not exist) intended. They encourage prejudice and manipulate the public focus drawing it well away from their own shortcomings and placing it directly onto the homosexual community.They know they will get called out on this stuff, but that’s the point.. 
While we are all focused on how terrible the things they are saying about one sector of society are we are not focused in how they are totally failing as Christians in the really important areas of society and so we are not calling them out on this

So next time you are unfortunate enough to hear one of these offensive hate speeches instead of calling them out about what they just said try responding with something like this:
“You tell us feel that homosexuals should be ashamed of their behavior, but don’t you feel that, as a leader of a Church that receives millions of dollars of donations every year, you should be ashamed that you have done absolutely nothing to help feed the one out of every eight children in the US who  currently go to bed hungry every day? Do you think Jesus would be proud that you are so focused on hate when you could be saving children’s lives? Why have you done SQUAT about these desperate starving innocents?” 

Do it in person, by letter, in email or any other way you can think of. Write to TV stations and churches and so on. Make the tactic of distraction fail and at the same time help stop the persecution of the gay community while also helping to improve the lives of thousands if not millions of children. 

Perhaps if enough people do this it might eventually change the world for the better or at least shut up these homophobic bigots. 

I must point out that this post is just my opinion and has nothing to do with this website.

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The very first thing i learned as christian is that I'm a sinner. And by sinner, the pastor qualified the word with a very apt definition - "to miss the mark". The second lesson was that even experiencing joy would always be less important than this need to be saved from "missing the mark". So all of this makes so much sense: At the center of christianity is a very real sense of self loathing. And most homophobes have a very similar sense of self loathing. On a broader note. I believe that underlying this loathing of homosexuality is a general loathing of human sexuality.
I haven't been a christian since I was 13 or so (I was the outcast of the family) and of course, homosexuality was taught as being an abomination, a sin, etc.
But my opinion on it stands as far as whether I accept it, and that is NO. That's my preference, my opinion.
Right or wrong can be argued, but I don't agree with it based on my personal preference, and here's why:
It is scientifically proven that men and women is the accepted norm. They can reproduce. They provide the benefits of a father and a mother to their children. It's a complete and natural occurrence evident in all mammals. (No, a dominant and a submissive gay or lesbian couple do not compare to a male/female parental relationship, and leave much to be learned/desired)
Let's say all species were gay...
Besides the inability to reproduce unless "crossing over to the other sex", the roles of male and female will eventually be taken. So then why waste the time? Can't live with females? Can't handle them? Grossed out by pussy? HAHA! Well, that's where choices come in.
I am not homophobic. I am not a christian, muslim, or jew.
I choose to reason as an adult. In 99% of species, heterosexuality is by far the dominant one.....and they don't have religious belief or interference. Therefore, to me it just makes sense. Generally speaking, males and females compliment and balance each other.
As far as sex, yeah I'm a male so sure I wouldn't mind a female being bisexual, but in the end, it's just an experience and would rather focus and dedicate my time to 1 female (or at least 1 at a time)
"It is scientifically proven that men and women is the accepted norm. They can reproduce."
I don't think it is.
If you are going to say something like that you have to provide the evidence. That sounds like something you just invented because while it may me true that sex between men and women is the "natural" way to reproduce, its not the only way. Also Sex is not only for reproduction, also for recreation, or when you make love to a woman do you do so with the sole intention of making a baby? I doubt it.

"They provide the benefits of a father and a mother to their children. " I would question whether that always a good thing any way. I know plenty of so called normal people who simply don't look after their children properly, neglect them and pass on all the their bigotry to their un wanted offspring.

"Let's say all species were gay..."
NO lets not since thats a bullshit argument. Lets say humans use sexual activity for recreation. It doesn't matter what sex they are.
IS love limited by sex? No it isn't.

You say:
"I am not homophobic"
I would question this since all the arguments you make are the same lame nonscientific rubbish we hear from the religious homophobes.

"In 99% of species, heterosexuality is by far the dominant one"
Evidence please or you just made that up.

"I choose to reason as an adult."
But then you obviously chose to stop again.
The accepted norm? Choices???

For someone who chooses to reason as an adult, your argument strikes me as someone who has never heard, or studied past the surface, the arguments in opposition to your case.

You do realize that evolution and study of genes completely negates your entire argument, right? Bonobos and Chimpanzees, our closest cousins, consistently engage in homosexual behavior, as do Dolphins, our smartest animal relative. It is the accepted norm to you because it is anecdotal to your experience, and that is not empirical evidence, nor is it something you should ever base an argument on in an intellectual discussion. Do you know for a fact that heterosexuality is the dominant form of reproduction (This is me setting you up.)? Because the majority of organisms living on this planet reproduce asexually.

As far as benefits of a father and a mother... See the discussion "should gays have access to IVF." That argument has been pwned since it's been brought up.

You may not be homophobic, but you are very ignorant.
That's why I always take first generation ex-religious self proclaimed atheists with a grain of salt. So many people shed the god belief, but persevere with all the BS ideologies that come from it. People trade their belief in god for a belief in pop culture science concocted for mass consumption by media moguls.
It seems logical to me to suggest that heterosexualaity is the norm otherwise surely the human race wouldn't exist. Sex between men and women is the only reason we are here today. Clearly the holy books condemn homosexuality but why religious leaders seem to more focused on it than anything else is a mystery.
What's a mystery to me is why, despite all the biological studies that points towards homosexuality being a key figure in evolutionary social, recreational and biological development of our species, do people question it on a free-thinking site?

That's a fucking mystery.
So...... by your definition wolves and rats and chimps and bonobos (and countless others) should not exist either. How very enlightening!

I don't believe in the existence of a soul, whether is be male or female. We are Homo sapiens, we have sex, it is sometimes enjoyable, but should always be enjoyable, no matter with who it is performed. Unfortunately we have overly active brains which get cluttered with cultural mumbo jumbo nonsense and via the process of mimicry, which makes us excellent repositories of knowlegde, unfortunately the evolutionary process of mimicry did not create a filter for stupidity.

So our brains err, constantly, but our bodies do not, or ever so rarily in case of disease.
I didn't say should not exist but would not or perhaps I should say probably would not. I would like to know why people so angrily defend homosexuality when it's really not important. They sound like theists defending their faith. People are what they are and is no business but theirs. My comment was only my thoughts on the subject. I don't think anyone knows for certain that heterosexuality is the norm or not. It just seems logical to assume it is.
Lighten up for goodness sake. This is a discussion and not an argument. Unless you have solid evidence to back up your claims then lets keep it at that.
no, I'm not angry at all, I just want you to open your eyes and see that same-sex sex is very common in the animal kingdom, can you admit to that at least...?

Why do you cling to a religious belief of 0% non hetero sex when you claim to be atheist?

Heterosexuality is not the norm but DOES NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVITY on the practice of sex.
PETER you said:
"I didn't say should not exist but would not or perhaps I should say probably would not. I would like to know why people so angrily defend homosexuality when it's really not important."

Of course its important. Why should people be persecuted because they are homosexual. Imagine if it were the other way around and heterosexuals were persecuted? would you consider that unimportant too.

IF you mean unimportant in the "Who cares what sexual orientation you are you should have the same rights and privileges as anybody else" then thats fine. Perhaps you should clarify?
First of all, assumption and logic, do not go hand in hand. Assumption is a conjecture from anecdotal experience. Seeing as how heterosexual intercourse is how we make more of us, it is a biological necessity. To call it "the norm" however, is to infer that homosexuality is "not normal," and alienates people who are more attracted to those of a similar sex. Not only is it not true, but it opens the door to those who would persecute homosexuals.

If you are going to put baseless conjectures into a "discussion," don't be surprised when they are called out as baseless. There is PLENTY of evidence to suggest that homosexuality has evolved and is normal within human culture based on interactions of other species. However, this site is not a babysitter. Go look it up.


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