Friends of the folks from the neighborhood came over this weekend, to swim, share food, talk up a storm and generally be the kind of folks you find in a neighborhood.
There's a neighbor who's about to be a third-time father and he looks to be no older than 26. She looks a little older, but not much. In my assholiness, I push the point and refer to her having her third child by 25, so she must be a quiverfull looney. They don't laugh. He explains, with scripture, that they are indeed breeding god's army. There will come a day when his kids will lead the chosen to kill me and my kind. My kind being rational people.
So I did the only reasonable thing I could. I said nothing.
Nope, that's not what I did. I said. "Dude, I'm an atheist and you're an idiot. Do you believe in dragons and faeries and leprechauns as well?" He looked at me like the idea of equating his magical space being with a short, green, comically-dressed mick was silly... and I should feel silly for suggesting it.
I tried to point out that there have been thousands of times as many species before the ones we know of today, and that implies an old earth... His answer was that everybody knows deep down that they're "from GOD" but some of us pretend to be atheists. Get that: atheists are not really atheists, because deep down we love god..."
I have no plans to 'convert' them... but Mom thinks they're so cool. Twenty somethings who listen to her! Mom, they're fucking retarded! My non-retarded friends have been listening to you for decades!
Just venting, I'll let you know when it all blows up.
I can't believe you didn't ask him about the commandment, 'Thou shalt not kill'. Whatever happened to 'Love thy neighbor'?.
I have no doubt he buys into Thou shall not kill, etc. We had a discussion about Thou shall not Kill, Steal or Lie. My point was that these were doctrines so self evident (Don't Steal, Lie or Kill) that they didn't need a divine mandate. He (the loon from across the street agreed with me on this.
So I said, "Why do we need the those 3 of the 10 commandments if they're so self-evident and just about every culture buys into them, regardless of whether they've heard of Jesus,"
His answer: [[blank stare]]. I shit you not. He just stared at me like I was speaking Klingon.
When I told him that NOT KILLING was a very simple, very obvious rule that most cultures would come up with, he took it as proof that the "Thou shall not kill" part of Genesis was universal and proved the bible. I just don't know how to deal with that.
He's trying to claim that you are putting the cart before the horse. From their point of view it's not that "thou shalt not kill" was so obvious that it had to go in for Moses to have any credibility, it's that it's universal because god said it and made it so. And of course here you are trying to deny this "obvious" fact.
There is no reasoning with this because it's a totally different paradigm and you (and he) are nibbling around the edges of the real difference between your thought processes. If you bring up a solid undeniable fact he will acknowledge it--and interpret how it fits in with everything else in the light of his paradigm; he can't help doing that. You do the same thing, you just have a different paradigm.
They will not be able to acknowledge any reasonable doubts you cast their way, you are a fart in their windstorm. Their children will need to deal with the parents dysfunction once they get out into the real world. Expect them to homeschool, because even if there is a school in their church, it needs to meet state guidelines which they cannot control.
Don't expect them over for lemonade, either.
You should stay in contact with them for the children's sake. Let those kids get a dose of normalcy so they start to question things. If they are homeschoolers, the kids won't realize they're living in the middle of crazytown until they've gone out to establish zealotsville and raise their own little army. By then it will probably be too late to save their minds.
Friends of the folks from the neighborhood came over this weekend,
They then informed you that their children will someday kill you?
Did it occur to you and your folks that they might just be running reconnaissance for when they send over the little assassins later?
When you next see the kids, do you plan on ducking behind some cover?
This is so bizarrely, obnoxiously different from what Jesus taught I am completely don't know what to say.
I think the best option is to humanize yourself and demystify the secular worldview/lifestyle in the eyes of the kids. Hard to kill your neighbors when you don't hate them. Forget the parents--they're batshit cray cray.
I want to ignore people like that but they scare me. I don't mean I am frightened by them individually. It's their collective idiocy and fervor that get me. Breeding an army to kill atheists? Lovely. I wish it was an attempt at humor but sadly I do not think it was.
I may have mistakenly implied that they were breeding kids to kill atheists. They are breeding kids to kill everybody who doesn't share their beliefs, including atheists, catholics, some protestants, everybody in Asia and Africa, and that one family that stopped coming to church last month.
Thanks for letting me clear that up.
The Christian church is growing faster in Africa than anywhere else in the world. At least, that's what the Christians claim.
They're breeding an army to directly contradict the teachings of Jesus, who never tried to harm anyone, and they're making some oddly threatening predictions. I wonder if they think Jesus will come back to lead the army, and that will make it okay somehow?
"Jesus, who never tried to harm anyone." Jesus, who never actually tried to be...real.